TIG: LXV - Our fate lies with...them? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nessa Telrunya · 08-13-2009, 08:12 AM

The thing about innocents, is that their only concern should be to figure out who the baddies are. The wolves and gifteds are the ones who need to play tricks, and for either self preservation or some other motive.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 08:15 AM

On the contrary, if the innocents can manage to trick the wolves it can be very helpful. I've seen some amazing feats of deception from ordos. I'll let you figure out how yourself, though.

Boromir88 · 08-13-2009, 08:24 AM

Truthfully I've been up since 9, and knew you had not reached 5 pages. But I haven't been able to check in since getting up, and now that I have and re-check and we are at 5...you all live!

P.S. if I had a choice between licking a cactus or hugging the Dark Monarch, I would chose the cactus every time.

Macalaure · 08-13-2009, 08:39 AM

Innocents play tricks, gifteds play tricks, wolves play tricks. Some wolves don't play tricks, too, and still win. The key is to figure out people's intentions behind what trickery or non-trickery they do. Not an easy task, of course.

Hakon, if we figure out who the bear is, the wolves obviously know the same and the bear will die right away anyway. Also, the bear is the role which is among the hardest to figure out and since he is not our side, he won't reveal out of kindness.

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

Innocents play tricks, gifteds play tricks, wolves play tricks. Some wolves don't play tricks, too, and still win. The key is to figure out people's intentions behind what trickery or non-trickery they do. Not an easy task, of course.

Hakon, if we figure out who the bear is, the wolves obviously know the same and the bear will die right away anyway. Also, the bear is the role which is among the hardest to figure out and since he is not our side, he won't reveal out of kindness.

That is true. I still think the bear can kill at least one person we are suspicious of.

Rikae, it is great that you think I am like another member but this Hansy guy sounds like a person I should not want to be like. I would also like to point out Phantom gave me the idea of using the bear. His post where he mentions the codes also talks about the bear.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 08:49 AM

Why do you think the bear would do what you say, Hakon?

As for you should want to be like Hansy or not, that's your call. He was around right before you joined, but seems to have not been back since.

Hakon · 08-13-2009, 09:16 AM

Not what I specifically say but what all of us decide. Really once the bear was found out he or she would either be lynched soon after or killed by the wolves.

mormegil · 08-13-2009, 09:18 AM

Phantom's post about the werebear is coherent enough for me. If I were the bear I would begin to target wolves too. It is worthwhile to form a temporary alliance for the bear as the greatest danger to him/her is the wolves who will be active in searching for him to be sure.

To get things moving

++Hakon

I think him pulling on the fact that I mentioned phantom pre-game is odd and seems an attempt to cast early suspicions. Clearly it failed and he wisely backed off but the seed was still planted. It could be knee-jerk but I still thought it odd. Of course, and as always Rikae is somewhat suspicious.

Nerwen · 08-13-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hakon

I haven an idea on how to start figuring out who the wolves are. Boro told us in the admin thread that some of the roles would be picked based on those surveys. My guess is that the people who got put down for trusted the most are the wolves and cobbler. The ones who got put down for distrust the most are probably now just ordinaries. What do you all think? Should we post out answers to the survey?

You're very likely right... at least I've got no idea what else that survey was for. But Rikae's right, too: doing what you suggest comes this close to cheating.

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Originally Posted by Nessa Telrunya

I think the most likely strategy, that everyone will most likely fall into anyways, is to blindly vote Day one as they always have, and then look back at who voted who, and who was Night killed for motives.

But the problem lies in this: when all we can do toDay is vote blindly, how will our votes mean anything? There's no point in giving a well-thought reason when there's nothing to go on for us villagers(and gifteds). If we just tell the truth about why we're voting instead of trying to sound smart(guilty here) then it will be easier to distinguish who is who.

Nessa, we Fenrissed Sally on Day One last time (with a little help from our cobbler) based on her suspicious behaviour... it can be done. Besides, the wolves aren't going to tell the truth anyway: they'll say, "Oh, I'm voting X completely at random," whether they are or not. What's the point?

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Originally Posted by Rikae

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Why do you think the bear would do what you say, Hakon?

Well, the phantom thinks the bear would do what he says... maybe phantomitis is catching.

EDIT:X'd since Rikae at #171.

Rikae · 08-13-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

P.S. if I had a choice between licking a cactus or hugging the Dark Monarch, I would chose the cactus every time.

Hugging a... horrible giant insect with disgusting brightly colored wings?

*twitches*

I'd choose the cactus too.

08-13-2009, 08:24 AM	#3
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Truthfully I've been up since 9, and knew you had not reached 5 pages. But I haven't been able to check in since getting up, and now that I have and re-check and we are at 5...you all live! P.S. if I had a choice between licking a cactus or hugging the Dark Monarch, I would chose the cactus every time. __________________ Fenris Penguin

08-13-2009, 08:49 AM	#6
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Why do you think the bear would do what you say, Hakon? As for you should want to be like Hansy or not, that's your call. He was around right before you joined, but seems to have not been back since. Last edited by Rikae; 08-13-2009 at 08:51 AM. Reason: that should say "as for whether you should..."

08-13-2009, 09:16 AM	#7
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 736	Not what I specifically say but what all of us decide. Really once the bear was found out he or she would either be lynched soon after or killed by the wolves. __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

08-13-2009, 09:18 AM	#8
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Phantom's post about the werebear is coherent enough for me. If I were the bear I would begin to target wolves too. It is worthwhile to form a temporary alliance for the bear as the greatest danger to him/her is the wolves who will be active in searching for him to be sure. To get things moving ++Hakon I think him pulling on the fact that I mentioned phantom pre-game is odd and seems an attempt to cast early suspicions. Clearly it failed and he wisely backed off but the seed was still planted. It could be knee-jerk but I still thought it odd. Of course, and as always Rikae is somewhat suspicious. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

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08-13-2009, 08:12 AM	#1
Nessa Telrunya Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: In a paper bag Posts: 396	The thing about innocents, is that their only concern should be to figure out who the baddies are. The wolves and gifteds are the ones who need to play tricks, and for either self preservation or some other motive. __________________ Joined together wrote our names upon the page Seven times alliance our loyalties we gave

08-13-2009, 08:15 AM	#2
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	On the contrary, if the innocents can manage to trick the wolves it can be very helpful. I've seen some amazing feats of deception from ordos. I'll let you figure out how yourself, though.

08-13-2009, 08:39 AM	#4
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Innocents play tricks, gifteds play tricks, wolves play tricks. Some wolves don't play tricks, too, and still win. The key is to figure out people's intentions behind what trickery or non-trickery they do. Not an easy task, of course. Hakon, if we figure out who the bear is, the wolves obviously know the same and the bear will die right away anyway. Also, the bear is the role which is among the hardest to figure out and since he is not our side, he won't reveal out of kindness.