Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Ilya:
Nerwen:
Nerwen and Ilya falls under the same cathegory in my mind. First of all I have had a hard time figuring them out and constantly switches between thinking them innocent or wolves, I guess it is often like this in the early stages. I get that feeling that their contributions are fabricated in order to seem helpful, but of course it is hard to determine what is genuine and what is not. What more is Ilya’s respons to accusations confuses me. . . sometimes I just have a hard time understanding what she means and have to read it over a few time and that might have gotten stuck in my mind and make me uneasy about her. She is fast to admit to playing it flip-flopping and other stuff, this could be a way of trying to kill the accusations before they become a major case.


Aganzir: Her way of tracking wolves and posting annoys me. Also I have trouble telling apart what is just “normal” Aganzir and what is suspicious, so I would also like her to go simply to make my life easier. Also I don’t get why it is much more suspicious to say you’re a newbie in subtle way, than doing it straight forward. (ok Boromir just explained it, I don’t know what to make of it)

Brinniel:I guess the reason that she is on this list is because I don’t follow her reasoning and her posting of late has been of little substance, except for her defence of a fixed/preferred number of representatives.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I just realised that I have totaly overlooked The Ka, but you I will wait till tomorrow before I take a look at her posts.

I will see you guys latter.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Also I don’t get why it is much more suspicious to say you’re a newbie in subtle way, than doing it straight forward. (ok Boromir just explained it, I don’t know what to make of it)

Think it this way: you're a wolf and want to bluff by doing something you would never do as a wolf. When someone suspects you of it, is it better for you to say "I would never do so as a wolf" or wait till someone else says "He would never do so as a wolf"? The former is more suspicious.
Now, you're a newbie wolf. You might be suspected if you said "I did it just because I'm new, no-no I didn't have any dark intents," but if you suggested subtly that it might have happened because you're new and don't quite know how to react to different situations, it would be easier for people to believe it since it would feel more like they had come up with it themselves. What struck me as suspicious in Ilya was how she looked like she was consciously and carefully trying to use the less suspicion-raising manner.

Do you get my point?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I get it, but Boromir is better at explaining it.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Notice, for general reference:

There are wolves, I promise. I picked them out myself.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Or maybe I didn't pick them out myself. But they do definitely exist. That part's definitely true, I think.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Or maybe I didn't pick them out myself. But they do definitely exist. That part's definitely true, I think.

Sure you don't want to plead the fifth there Fea?

However we are working on the basis they exist - known knowns to us at least. To you they are known unknowns - unknown unknowns are at the Moddesses' discretion.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Think it this way: you're a wolf and want to bluff by doing something you would never do as a wolf. When someone suspects you of it, is it better for you to say "I would never do so as a wolf" or wait till someone else says "He would never do so as a wolf"? The former is more suspicious.
Now, you're a newbie wolf. You might be suspected if you said "I did it just because I'm new, no-no I didn't have any dark intents," but if you suggested subtly that it might have happened because you're new and don't quite know how to react to different situations, it would be easier for people to believe it since it would feel more like they had come up with it themselves. What struck me as suspicious in Ilya was how she looked like she was consciously and carefully trying to use the less suspicion-raising manner.

Do you get my point?

Agan makes an interesting point here. Ilya seems a bit too smooth for a newbie, I must stay. Now I'm not saying that new players automatically suck, but she's been too smooth (smooth? maybe just well-integrated) for a new player. It worries me a bit. I'll have to take a good look at her at some point, but for now I'm going to just keep an eye on her. (And by at some point, I obviously mean as soon as I get a chance)

[Boromir88]

Whatever. I know every book relating to WW backward and forward.~tp

Haven't you written every book relating to WW?

[Ilya]

What I mean is, trying to avoid saying straight that you are new, although you make it quite clear in a more subtle way, looks suspicious to me. And it looks like you were trying to do just that. And it looks suspicious because you're trying to excuse your participating in a bandwagon (or any other suspicious thing you might do) by saying you're just a newbie.

Oh, ok. I get it. I wasn't trying to excuse my behavior by playing the new card, in fact that's why I didn't mention the newbie thing to begin with - because it could be seen as fishing for innocence. I said I jumped on the bandwagon because I was suspicious of Legate but I wasn't sure, and I trusted Boro, so I went with his vote. I mean, it's partly because I'm new and nervous about being perceived in a way that'll keep me around, but it was mostly because I suspected Legate and trusted Boro's judgement, and I think my posting reflects that. What were some of the subtle ways that I hinted at it?

As to the method thing, it had to do with keeping all the reps at the same level of voting power, ie. not end up in a situation where somebody has 6 and all the others have 2. Just, you know, being aware of spreading the wealth. I dunno what I would suggest for a method. I think we've been doing that without any formal rules or any such structure.

What more is Ilya’s respons to accusations confuses me. . . sometimes I just have a hard time understanding what she means and have to read it over a few time and that might have gotten stuck in my mind and make me uneasy about her. She is fast to admit to playing it flip-flopping and other stuff, this could be a way of trying to kill the accusations before they become a major case.

People don't admit when they're wrong in this game? I was as wrong as wrong could be yesterday. I'm still making mistakes. You can talk about them for the rest of the day, and indeed no matter what I write I think that y'all will, but I'd rather have it on record that I admitted them when they were pointed out to me. I'll try and be clearer for you, Rune. Just tell me where it's muddled.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Ilya

What were some of the subtle ways that I hinted at it?

This was the thing I quoted in the post where I first mentioned it.

Originally Posted by Ilya

It was safe, which I guess is why it looks wolfish. I would also propose it looks like a newbie who only wants to stay in the game long enough until she can get the hang of it, and then start alienating people, but I can't decide for you.

edit: xed with Loomie

[Ilya]

Ah. Yeah. You know, I was on the fence about whether to even write that or not. A cloying type thing but I decided to go for it. I was anxious about ending a thought with "and that looks wolfish," because then people would think I was trying to buy sympathy for admitting that I what did looked like a wolf move. Now I realize I don't have to cater my thoughts to you people.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'm more and more convinced power drives people crazy in this village...

Surprise surprise.

[Nogrod]

Okay. I'm in at last.

Hah, I overslept my choir-seminar with one hour in the morning due to playing this too late... I'm not going to let that happen tomorrow so I will post quite a less than normally (well, we're actually also sharing this computer threesome so anyway). But I will try to catch up with the latest to see if there's anything that would help right now.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Aganzir: Her way of tracking wolves and posting annoys me. Also I have trouble telling apart what is just “normal” Aganzir and what is suspicious, so I would also like her to go simply to make my life easier. Also I don’t get why it is much more suspicious to say you’re a newbie in subtle way, than doing it straight forward. (ok Boromir just explained it, I don’t know what to make of it)

Now I know he doesn't give it as his ONLY reason, but you want to kill her because you don't like the way she catches wolves? (Well, he says tracks, but still. Potato, etc.) This leads me to wonder. Do you not like her around because mehbe she's on the right track with her wolf tracking? Hmmmm....