WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[Thinlómien]

Fea on Greenie
Day2
#202 Replies to her question about morm's suspiciousness. See "Fea on morm."
#203 In a summary: "A Little Green - definitely new. No denying the "what? I'm so confused, please pity me" is over-doing it a bit. A lot. I have to admit, she's a likely vote for me today." Funnily, she seems to change her opinion about her while writing this. And I'm afraid it seems more like a planned action than a changing feeling.
#222 Votes her. "Because of all the players I could choose, especially four hours before deadline, Green is the one who seems both wolfish-and-confusing.
She fits into both of my preferences for who to vote for: her actions make me think she's guilty ("What? Me? How could I be guilty, I barely even know who mormegil is!") and other people seem to agree with my instincts on this one (which means it's not necessarily me just making things up)." I think that sounds like a wolf-on-wolf thing, especially that "other people seem to agree" -part. Oh, and I could so well see a wolvish Fea voting a second pack-mate of hers just to look innocent and laughing all the time...

In short: Looks less suspicious than Green's relation to her, but definitely doesn't clear Fea at all.


Fea on morm
Day1
#90 "I could so easily say the same about you, morm. I was a wolf with you in the past. We were really good wolves. Ergo, I know you're a really good wolf who doesn't come off as wolf-like. My logic is usually this: Say it's the last day and it's me, mormegil, and some other random player. Neither seems any more or less innocent than the other. I know I'm innocent. I KNOW I'm not going to have any idea who to vote for. So my 'strategy,' if you want to call it that, is, when in doubt, to lynch somebody who I know will cause me doubt later. If I have a definite suspicion, I vote for the person I think is guilty. But if I don't know who to vote for, instead of lynching at random, I vote for somebody I know is going to complicate my decision-making later on. Does that make sense? Should I try to rephrase it?" I think she could say this very well if she was morm's fellow wolf, it's the kind of bluff I think she would enjoy. Anyway, this quote doesn't surely point at them being companions, though.
#97 "Just so everybody knows: I take no offense to morm trying to kill me. We have a long history of this sort of thing. I want him dead too." Then she goes and votes him saying he shouldn't have voted Valier. I can see a wolf-Fea doing this to wolf-morm. If morm got lynched, Fea wouldn't be suspected and if he didn't, well, she'd consider it a very funny joke and banter in response to his comments about her. It is a sort of game between them and it definitely doesn't mean they can't be
companions, almost the contrary.

Day2
#140 mentions him when talking about Valier's posts. Says she thinks Valier was killed to frame morm. Now why does she cahnge her opinion of morm this quickly? Simply because Valier died? I consider it odd how she jumps from attacking him on Day1 to defending him on Day2. A wolf
realising her fellow really is in danger and giving a helping hand? Now, you might ask, why would she defend her fellow olf this obviously. I ask, why not? She know the villagers listen to her and may form opinions based on hers, so why would she not use it to help her fellow? After all, if morm was lynched, she could always say "come on, I wouldn't be as obvious as to defend him, if I was his fellow wolf".
#143 Quotes morm. Hardly anything suspicious here...
#146 "Thing is, I really don't think morm would kill Valier. It makes a lot more sense that the wolves are trying to frame him. I know he'd sacrifice himself for a cause (he's done it before), but it just seems so outright stupid for a morm-wolf to kill a villager in the night who seemed to have dreamt about him. Except that it's such a transparent set up that I can't help but think maybe the wolves aren't really trying to frame him, they're just trying to make it look like they are? In any case, I'm leaning toward morm's innocence. I just don't think he'd have killed Val, especially if she'd dreamt of him. It's just too self-incriminating." What I said about her defending him above. If
they were fellow wolves, she would be quite ruthlessly and smartly using her supposed superior knowledge of morm to assure the village. Besides, her logic is slightly faulty, as she so easily discounts the possibility of a double-bluff.
#202 Says morm is seen as suspicious because "1) he's morm (that means
he's suspicious)
2) he voted for somebody people think looked, in retrospect, seerish
3) that person, who expressed suspicion in him, died in the night
he treated the accusation as a joke". Elaborates on that. Says 4 is a bad reason for suspecting him. "Basically, morm has as much of a chance
of being a wolf as any of us. So it's stupid to say "he must be." Because he mustn't." Says morm was
framed by the wolves regardless of whether he was a wolf himself or not. "Either a wolf or he's not. We could kill him to find out, but I think we're wasting our debate on him. I think the wolves are probably sitting back and giggling." I find it very possible that she could have said such things about her fellow wolf. On the other hand, this doesn't mean they're fellow wolves.
#203 In a summary: "Mormegil - innocent. Or I'll be forced to lynch him day one every game in our future for so completely pulling one over on me." Ouch. That does sound a bit like a wolf-on-wolf comment, doesn't it?
#220 "Because the person I voted for yesterday has since stopped looking worrisome to me." See what I said about this switch of opinions previously...

In short: I don't like how she jumps from accusing him to defending him.

Fea on Sally
Day2
#203 In a summary: "Satansaloser2005 - shrug". Well, what a betterway to treat a fellow wolf than not say anything about them at all? But I'm definitely not claiming this statement is incriminating.

Day3
#281 Agrees with Farael that she is supicious, because she's causing chaos. Now that suspicion came quite around the corner... Did she realise she'd finally have to pay some attention to her fellow wolf and come up with an opinion of her?
#283 "Crossed with Sally.
[expression of malcontent]" Now she follows the line she's taken...
#350 Votes Sally. "I feel like the regression back into 'normalcy' was more like a flinch. I still don't know what to think of her earlier "Am I a wolf? Am I not a wolf? Lalala." It's gutsy/stupid for a wolf and irresponsible/stupid for an innocent. Either way, not the sort of likely action I'm comfortable keeping around. I wish I had time to stick around and analyze/watch/etcetera. But I'm not really sure of my suspicions right now. I'm comfortable lynching Sal and hoping she's lupine. Even if she's not, I'd say the village is probably better off without the chaos (I know, this coming from me!)." Now this might be a bit too much even for wolf-Fea. But she is one of the few players there are I could see as doing this to her fellow wolves...

In short: That last italicised comment.

[Thinlómien]

Sally on Greenie
Day2
#257 "Wow! To be honest Greenie has flown under my radar completely. I really need to get more sleep. hehe
Sidenote: with any luck both Greenie and Rikae will be wolves. What fortune would that be!" Now that sounds awfully much like a comment one could make on a fellow wolf as an excuse of not mentioning her.

Day3
#269 "Congratulations to the many villagers who managed to capture the furry beast Greenie yesterday. The Breath shall breathe no more I say, as I sigh in relief." Sounds like a very unsincere wolf congratulation, eh?

In short: Wolvish with a big W.

Sally on morm
Day1
#94 "For some reason I bumped into Morm this morning and I thought he felt a little fuzzy. [rolleyes-smiley] Call it a hunch, but for now that'll have to do, being day one and all." Unless I'm mistaken, she didn't mention him earlier. now this is an odd vote, and quite a bold move if they're both wolves. However, Sally has been, like Volo said, flirting with the idea of being evil and never denied the possibility of her being a wolf, so why wouldn't she jokingly say that about her fellow
wolf on day1 and vote him? That would fit the picture, if you ask me.

Day2
#167 "Secondly I think that there are three possible answers to how Morm fits into last night's kill:
A: Morm is a wolf. The wolves took Valier to be the seer and thought perhaps she dreamed of Morm. Thus they needed to shut her up. This could be a double bluff by the wolves, looking like they're framing Morm but actually not, which also constitutes a risk on their part that Morm will
be found out and killed.
B: Morm is not a wolf. The wolves took Valier to be the seer and wanted to shut her up before she dreamed of any of them. This is, as has been discussed by Lommy and others, a frame job on Morm by the actual werewolves.
C: Morm's wolfishness is irrelevant. The wolves picked Valier completely randomly.
I don't know which option it is though, that's the tough part. :S"
Could be fellows, could be not. However, it's interesting how she phrases A. I believe she was the first one to bring up that framing double-bluff. Now why did it occur to her? because it was what they really did? Interesting...
#169 Votes morm again. "Not completely sure about this, but Morm rubs me the wrong way wolf-wise, so I'll take a chance on it." If they were fellows, this would be bold wolfing, but perfect cover as well. It seems to me like she thinks morm might be going down and tries to get
advantage of it.
#182 Slightly defends me against his accusations of flip-floppery. Also, answers to his general accusation that no one has discussed yesterDay's votes. Does not understand his statement of there being two known innocents, asks for an explanation. Whatever way...
#218 "P.S. I just realized that Morm voted Volo. So chain of events is Sally votes Morm, Volo finds Sally suspicious for picking on Morm, Morm votes Volo. Unless my logic is hugely flawed, that means that it is unlikely that both of us are wolves, Morm and I that is. Because A: why the heck would I vote him both days so vigorously, unless I am either incredibly stupid or incredibly clever, B: the same for Morm's actions today in a way, voting someone who finds me suspicious is either ballsy or idiotic, C: okay I can't think of a C right now but that's alright I'm sure someone else will analyze this post in a bit anyway." I think this has been commented on enough. I think it's a desperate and faulty try to save either of them.

Day3
#325 "I still have a bit of a thing for Morm. One of those things that I can't explain, but I just feel him to be wolvish. Could be the sleep-deprivation, could be instincts, I don't know. I just feel him as a wolf. But voting him both the last two days seems to be unproductive, so I'm just going to change course and look at everyone else more in-depth." She is persistent...
#326 In a summary: "Morm: I've covered this. nuf said. not leaning towards guilty, but rather tripping over it." What I said.
#327 Names him as the person she'd prefer to vote. Surprise, surprise.
#344 "I still think Morm to be a wolf. I know, I'm stubborn, but it's a gut thing. He strikes me as fuzzy. Thus in my sleepy logic the ones trying to help him are either in cahoots with him or just believe him. Either way she's added just based on that. Definitely not enough to vote her or anything, just something to consider if/when Morm is revealed as a wolf. Again, I have my one hunch and can't let go of it, which isn't wrong in itself because surprisingly I'm normally right, but the problem is that Brinn isn't necessarily guilty or innocent based on that one action;' I'm just reminding myself to check into her again later." Doesn't she get bored? Sounds like wolvish argumentation.

In short: She's a bold wolf and he's her fellow.

Sally on Fea
Day2
#167 "Brinn and Fea, I concur. " Well, hmm, nothing, I guess.

Day3
#326 In a summary: "Fea: eeks. I don't know. One post strikes me as ordo, the next as wolf, and so on (you know what I mean.) I can't make up my mind." Smells all too much like wolf-on-wolf. Really.

In short: That last bit is just way too wolvish. Just what a wolf would say about her companion when she's about to die.

[Thinlómien]

Summary: Well... I thought I had a stronger case. This is all based on ifs. I think this case rather proves that a combination of morm, Sally, Ligre and Fea is possible, than proves it true. If any of the remaining three proves a wolf, I'd have a very close look at the others. I'm quite confident Sally and morm are wolves, but I'm not too sure about Fea. She'd be very bold to vote all her mates in turn, but I could see her doing that.

I'm a bit concerned that I've used all my energy on this case. While I think it is credible, I think I should pay attention to other people as well. But really, no one really strikes me as innocent - except Mac and Farael - anymore. *sigh* I think we should lynch Sally and morm next, though.

[Thinlómien]

Hehehe, that's something for you to read. I'm so glad I'm done with it even though I did have one good point against Fea I totally forgot...

Now, a few comments on those things with which I cross-posted.

I really find neither Volo nor Menel overtly wolvish... Menel is somewhat suspicious but I wouldn't like to vote him right now because he feels quite innocent. Volo then... I used to trust him but when everybody has so much against him I'm not too sure anymore. I think I should reread his posts, but before I've done that, I won't vote him.

Morm seems a bit paranoid... and more than a bit wolvish - while Kuru starts finally making sense and sounding innocentish...

EDIT: seven posts in a rowe, wow... now I feel like posting one more just to be flood-posting more

[satansaloser2005]

I'm here indeed dear ones. I don't have a chance to really read through stuff yet, but I will as soon as I get to my class. I'll also wait to vote until then. Need to check the vote count in a bit. There are a couple people I am very much feeling a vote for, but I need to decide who to put my two cents towards. Look for a post in way less than 45 minutes, just depends on the internet connection in that room.