Where in Middle-Earth is this from??!! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Silmiel of Imladris · 07-16-2003, 08:11 PM

Ok I have never seen this pic before maybe some of you have. It is obvious that this is from FOTR but where would it fit in? Eru all these deleted scene pictures are driving me up the walls!

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 07-17-2003, 02:00 AM

Okay, let's see. It has to be in Rivendell 'cause there are Gandalf and Elrond in the pic (and Elrond is sitting there like at home and drinking). Besides, it looks like 'Elrond's chamber' and that kind of furnishings would fit to Rivendell. It may be some conversation before Frodo woke up or a deleted part from that scene where they discuss about the ring's future after Frodo's healed (when there is the 'Isildur- flash back' in the film).

Tarien Ithil · 07-17-2003, 04:39 AM

Hmmmmm....I don't think that shot is in the movie at all! Because there was no scene in which Elrond was sitting at a table while Gandalf was talking to him. It is just a deleted scene. It would probably fit in when Gandalf and Elrond are discussing the movement of Saruman and Sauron in Rivendell. [ July 17, 2003: Message edited by: Tarien Ithil ]

Meela · 07-17-2003, 08:16 AM

It's cut from TTT, I think.

Mariska Greenleaf · 07-17-2003, 08:26 AM

I don't think it is from TTT, because, apparently, Gandalf is still the Grey.I too think it was shot in the house of Elrond, maybe when Frodo was still recovering, or perhaps after he woke up. In the final cut of the film, Elrond and Gandalf have a little discussion about who is going to help with the quest, while looking down on Frodo and Sam. Perhaps they first shot it this way...

Tarien Ithil · 07-17-2003, 08:44 AM

Yea, good point, Mariska. He's still Gandalf teh Grey, so this must be a deleted shot from FOTR.

Silmiel of Imladris · 07-17-2003, 11:10 AM

Call me weird but I think this happpens right before that scene where Aragorn and Arwen get some Kissy Kissy action. I only wish we knew what they were discussing.

Daisy Brambleburr · 07-17-2003, 01:37 PM

I'd guess that's when Gandalf and Elrond are talking in Rivendell after Frodo woke up, before the Council of Elrond. It's either a deleted scene or the same scene shot a different way or something like that. It can't be from an up-coming movie anyway.

Nehani · 07-19-2003, 07:05 PM

IT could also be a flash back from TTT, back to when they were in Rivendell. Maybe?

peonydeepdelver · 07-29-2003, 02:32 PM

I think it may be from an old version of when they were filming the scene where Gandalf tells Elrond about Saruman.May I also take this oppurtunity to ask where this picture (also Lyta_Underhill's avatar) came from? [ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: peonydeepdelver ]

Gorwingel · 07-29-2003, 02:42 PM

Maybe that scene was a conversation between Gandalf and Elrond during the evening before the Council? It is during dusk so I think that would make sense.I have always wondered where that picture of Frodo curled up on the statue was from. It wasn't like he had much time to rest while they were at that location. Maybe he was just trying to hide from Boromir?

HCIsland · 07-29-2003, 03:07 PM

The picture of Wood is a production shot and not from the movie. He often took naps between takes.I agree that the Elrond-Gandalf picture is a cut scene from Fellowship. One explanation is that the writers continually went back and forth on how to provide the back story. One option was not to have a prologue at all and to provide the background to the audience as it is needed. Once the prologue was put in much of what was originally shot between Elrond and Gandalf may have become repeatative and therefore was cut out. The scene could have originally been much longer.The Bag End kitchen table scene between Frodo and Gandalf is another example of this. This scene was originally much longer (as it is in the book) as Gandalf explains much of the history of The Ring to Frodo. With the prologue inserted, much of what was shot became superfluous and was dropped.H.C.

Genevieve · 07-29-2003, 06:12 PM

I agree as well that it is just a cut version of that scene. It must have just been one of the different approaches tried. Sorry, Im probably just repeating. . Whoops. I'll just be quiet now.

Gorwingel · 07-30-2003, 12:12 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The picture of Wood is a production shot and not from the movie. He often took naps between takes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh, I never knew that. Thank you very much for clearing that up

mollecon · 07-31-2003, 05:11 PM

Yes, the "Sleeping Frodo" is obviously a production shot - it's prolly when they were taking the scene at the end of FotR where Frodo & Boromir have their argument about the ring. It's the head of that fallen statue there...

Sindae · 08-01-2003, 08:08 PM

How can he sleep with these feet? Don't they feel strange?

08-09-2003, 07:48 PM

if you listen to all the extras on the FOTR extended edition there is an interview with Billy Boyd that talks about how Elijah could sleep anywhere at anytime. So the feet didn't bother him.As to the original picture of Gandalf and Elrond I believe it is a cut scene that hppens while they are talking about Isildur and how men have failed.

Neferchoirwen · 08-10-2003, 10:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> As to the original picture of Gandalf and Elrond <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>...Looks like it was taken from a different unit and then edited out in the process. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Elijah could sleep anywhere at anytime. So the feet didn't bother him<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> but isn't Elijah too big to fit on that nose? I'll warrant that it's Kieran (Elijah's midget double), and not Elijah.

Lucinda · 08-11-2003, 12:19 AM

Yup, i think its probably the midgit (or is it midget?) double. The face dosn't really look like Elijah Wood.

Cleansed Curunir · 08-12-2003, 12:10 PM

I know how you feel regarding the deleted scene pictures.Well, apparently it would have to be Rivendell, inside Elrond's halls, which we get a brief glance of.This is probably where Gandalf is telling Elrond about Saruman and his imprisonment in Orthanc since in a later scene Elrond says something like "Saruman has betrayed us, as you told me."

Knight of Gondor · 09-13-2003, 08:51 PM

I think it's possible it's just a behind-the-scenes shot or something. Kind of like that somewhat famous picture of Elrond stroking his chin...it's not FROM any place in the movie. Maybe Ian and Hugo were just having a little chat between shots or something.

samrohan · 09-15-2003, 05:51 AM

I can only think it is one of the many scenes from the movie that did not make it through the diting process. To film a movie that lasts three hours, PJ probably had to shoot 4 or 5 hours excluding the retakes. And he is most certainly keeping the rolls of film in some bank vault.That shot has to be of inside Rivendell as it is the only place Elrond is seen other than in the first battle.

07-16-2003, 08:11 PM	#1
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	Where in Middle-Earth is this from??!! Ok I have never seen this pic before maybe some of you have. It is obvious that this is from FOTR but where would it fit in? Eru all these deleted scene pictures are driving me up the walls! <P> __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

07-17-2003, 02:00 AM	#2
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	Okay, let's see. It has to be in Rivendell 'cause there are Gandalf and Elrond in the pic (and Elrond is sitting there like at home and drinking). Besides, it looks like 'Elrond's chamber' and that kind of furnishings would fit to Rivendell. It may be some conversation before Frodo woke up or a deleted part from that scene where they discuss about the ring's future after Frodo's healed (when there is the 'Isildur- flash back' in the film). __________________ Fenris Wolf Last edited by dancing spawn of ungoliant; 01-12-2006 at 01:25 PM. Reason: Sweeping party...

07-17-2003, 04:39 AM	#3
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	Hmmmmm....I don't think that shot is in the movie at all! Because there was no scene in which Elrond was sitting at a table while Gandalf was talking to him.<BR>It <I>is</I> just a deleted scene.<BR>It would probably fit in when Gandalf and Elrond are discussing the movement of Saruman and Sauron in Rivendell. <p>[ July 17, 2003: Message edited by: Tarien Ithil ] __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

07-17-2003, 08:16 AM	#4
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	It's cut from TTT, I think. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

07-17-2003, 08:26 AM	#5
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	I don't think it is from TTT, because, apparently, Gandalf is still the Grey.<P>I too think it was shot in the house of Elrond, maybe when Frodo was still recovering, or perhaps after he woke up.<BR>In the final cut of the film, Elrond and Gandalf have a little discussion about who is going to help with the quest, while looking down on Frodo and Sam. Perhaps they first shot it this way... __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.

07-17-2003, 08:44 AM	#6
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	Yea, good point, Mariska. He's still Gandalf teh Grey, so this <I>must</I> be a deleted shot from FOTR. __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

07-17-2003, 11:10 AM	#7
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	Call me weird but I think this happpens right before that scene where Aragorn and Arwen get some Kissy Kissy action. I only wish we knew what they were discussing. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

07-17-2003, 01:37 PM	#8
Daisy Brambleburr Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 334	I'd guess that's when Gandalf and Elrond are talking in Rivendell after Frodo woke up, before the Council of Elrond. It's either a deleted scene or the same scene shot a different way or something like that. It can't be from an up-coming movie anyway. __________________ 'What news from the South, O sighing wind, do you bring to me at eve? Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve.'

07-19-2003, 07:05 PM	#9
Nehani Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mirkwood (or something like it) Posts: 80	IT could also be a flash back from TTT, back to when they were in Rivendell. Maybe? __________________ "Been A Long Road To Follow, Been There And Gone Tomorrow Without Saying Goodbye To Yesterday..." "The Way Is Closed. It Was Made By Those Who are Dead. The Way is Closed."

07-29-2003, 02:32 PM	#10
peonydeepdelver Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alas, I hail from Massachusetts Posts: 256	I think it may be from an old version of when they were filming the scene where Gandalf tells Elrond about Saruman.<P>May I also take this oppurtunity to ask where this picture (also Lyta_Underhill's avatar) came from?<P> <p>[ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: peonydeepdelver ] __________________ "Nazgul, Nazgul! You speak of what is deep beyond the reach of your muddy dreams, Ugluk! Nazgul! Ah! All that they make out! One day you'll wish that you had not said that. Ape! You ought to know that they're the apple of the Great Eye." ~Grishnakh

07-29-2003, 02:42 PM	#11
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	Maybe that scene was a conversation between Gandalf and Elrond during the evening before the Council? It is during dusk so I think that would make sense.<P>I have always wondered where that picture of Frodo curled up on the statue was from. It wasn't like he had much time to rest while they were at that location. Maybe he was just trying to hide from Boromir? __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

07-29-2003, 03:07 PM	#12
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	The picture of Wood is a production shot and not from the movie. He often took naps between takes.<P>I agree that the Elrond-Gandalf picture is a cut scene from Fellowship. One explanation is that the writers continually went back and forth on how to provide the back story. One option was not to have a prologue at all and to provide the background to the audience as it is needed. Once the prologue was put in much of what was originally shot between Elrond and Gandalf may have become repeatative and therefore was cut out. The scene could have originally been much longer.<P>The Bag End kitchen table scene between Frodo and Gandalf is another example of this. This scene was originally much longer (as it is in the book) as Gandalf explains much of the history of The Ring to Frodo. With the prologue inserted, much of what was shot became superfluous and was dropped.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

07-29-2003, 06:12 PM	#13
Genevieve Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Where am I? Huh? I'm lost! Posts: 50	I agree as well that it is just a cut version of that scene. It must have just been one of the different approaches tried. Sorry, Im probably just repeating. . Whoops. I'll just be quiet now. __________________ No thought was put into this I always knew it would come to this. Things have never been so swell I have never failed to feel Pain.

07-30-2003, 12:12 AM	#14
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The picture of Wood is a production shot and not from the movie. He often took naps between takes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh, I never knew that. Thank you very much for clearing that up __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

07-31-2003, 05:11 PM	#15
mollecon Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 188	Yes, the "Sleeping Frodo" is obviously a production shot - it's prolly when they were taking the scene at the end of FotR where Frodo & Boromir have their argument about the ring. It's the head of that fallen statue there...

08-01-2003, 08:08 PM	#16
Sindae Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: a messy room in the world's best city Posts: 95	How can he sleep with these feet? Don't they feel strange? __________________ My page about Iceland

08-09-2003, 07:48 PM	#17
Alakreiél Guest Posts: n/a	if you listen to all the extras on the FOTR extended edition there is an interview with Billy Boyd that talks about how Elijah could sleep anywhere at anytime. So the feet didn't bother him.<P>As to the original picture of Gandalf and Elrond I believe it is a cut scene that hppens while they are talking about Isildur and how men have failed.

08-10-2003, 10:21 AM	#18
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> As to the original picture of Gandalf and Elrond <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>...Looks like it was taken from a different <BR>unit and then edited out in the process.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Elijah could sleep anywhere at anytime. So the feet didn't bother him<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> but isn't Elijah too big to fit on that nose? I'll warrant that it's Kieran (Elijah's midget double), and not Elijah. __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

08-11-2003, 12:19 AM	#19
Lucinda Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 41	Yup, i think its probably the midgit (or is it midget?) double. The face dosn't really look like Elijah Wood. __________________ The elf hobbit creature. Hmmm, my parents must have had a wee bit of a height difference!!! Mornings would be so much better if they were in the afternoon and a dog is a dog is a dog, but a cat is unique and does not bark.

08-12-2003, 12:10 PM	#20
Cleansed Curunir Newly Deceased Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: purified Isengard Posts: 10	I know how you feel regarding the deleted scene pictures.<P>Well, apparently it would have to be Rivendell, inside Elrond's halls, which we get a brief glance of.<P>This is probably where Gandalf is telling Elrond about Saruman and his imprisonment in Orthanc since in a later scene Elrond says something like "Saruman has betrayed us, as you told me."

09-13-2003, 08:51 PM	#21
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	I think it's possible it's just a behind-the-scenes shot or something. Kind of like that somewhat famous picture of Elrond stroking his chin...it's not FROM any place in the movie. Maybe Ian and Hugo were just having a little chat between shots or something. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

09-15-2003, 05:51 AM	#22
samrohan Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Touring Minas Tirith with Gimli and Legolas Posts: 107	I can only think it is one of the many scenes from the movie that did not make it through the diting process. To film a movie that lasts three hours, PJ probably had to shoot 4 or 5 hours excluding the retakes. And he is most certainly keeping the rolls of film in some bank vault.<P>That shot has to be of inside Rivendell as it is the only place Elrond is seen other than in the first battle. __________________ I can't believe I have not watched the return of the king yet.