Narsil - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the mortal elf · 12-25-2002, 12:05 PM

I just realized something (and I'm ashamed that it took me this long). We were all in a huff because most of us Barrow Downers thought that Arwen was going to bring a reforged Narsil to Aragorn at Helm's Deep. But she didn't! So when does Aragorn get his legendary sword? Or, now here's a shocker, does he already have it? He could have gotten it in FotR, and PJ just deemed it not worthy of a scene. The scene in the special edition with Aragorn at Gilraen's grave has me puzzling over this, because I know they talked about reforging Narsil, but did they actually do it?

The Silver-shod Muse · 12-25-2002, 12:42 PM

Aragorn handed over a sword that looked like Narsil to Hama at Meduseld, but without question or qualm. Evidently the reforging was not deemed necessary.

Aragorn Husband of Arwen · 12-25-2002, 04:35 PM

My only hope is that there isn't a scene, but he already has it.But my figuring is we'll see it at the end...where it shouldn't be.

Gorwingel · 12-26-2002, 05:50 PM

I do not know when Aragorn is going to get it, or if he is. In TTT it seemed he had the same sword that he had in the first movie, though I do not want to see a scene where Arwen comes or anything, for me that would be very dumb. Maybe Peter Jackson is just making a stupid mistake by thinking it is not important to the story, though I hope we see it because they kind of talked about it in the first one.

the mortal elf · 12-26-2002, 11:04 PM

I just finished watching the the appendices for the extended DVD again and realized something. Narsil has a hollow pommel, so it will be really recognizable when he finally gets it. Now I won't have to worry anymore. Thanks.

Gorwingel · 12-31-2002, 12:10 AM

I just realized something, I went and saw TTT today for the 3rd time. When I was watching it, there is that one scene where Arwen is standing by a dead Aragorn, and he is holding a sword, the sword is Narsil.Because he is holding the same sword that is in the painting in Rivendell, so he is going to get it, but the question is, when?

doug*platypus · 12-31-2002, 02:11 AM

Hmmm... maybe I'll have to watch a little more pedantically to check up on it, but I've seen it stated by the filmmakers that Aragorn has two swords, one at the start and one after Rivendell. Elrond does tell him that the sword will be reforged, and surely this means it is as good as done? Taking up valuable screen time with the Elvish smiths would have been out of the question, although I am curious (read: sceptical) about how they could have made it better than the original. What was Tolkien thinking?I really think Aragorn should have blown his own trumpet a little more, though. I miss the line "Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!", and I think he should have mentioned to Hama that, oh by the way this sword is something like 8000 years old so please look after it!

the mortal elf · 12-31-2002, 11:33 AM

Ah, but the sword he handed over wasn't Narsil. It didn't have a hollow pommel! And, looking at all the special edition spoilers, it seems as though Arwen has it in Lothlorien at the moment. He'll probably get it in RoTK. *sigh*

GreyIstar · 12-31-2002, 11:57 AM

PJ did mention in hsi comentary that Narsil will play a big role. Actually I think he will get it at the beginning of of Return of the King. When Arwens brothers come (book) who ever comes in the movie to give him his banner they will bring the sword.But I always thought that Arwen would bring it to Lothlorien and Haldir would bring it to Aragorn before the battle of Helm's deep. hmmm

doug*platypus · 01-01-2003, 07:19 AM

Interesting! Wery inter-esting... But if Narsil/Anduril was going to play such a huge part in ROTK, shouldn't we have been explicitly told in FOTR that Aragorn didn't have it? Maybe he and Elrond could've had their conversation in the Narsil Room, and Aragorn could've left straight away without the sword reforged. Then we wouldn't have to play guessing games about it! I mean come on, if anal-ytical Tolkien fans can't make out what's going on with the sword, how can the majority of the audience be expected to keep up with such a small detail?

12-25-2002, 12:05 PM	#1
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	Narsil I just realized something (and I'm ashamed that it took me this long). We were all in a huff because most of us Barrow Downers thought that Arwen was going to bring a reforged Narsil to Aragorn at Helm's Deep. But she didn't! So when does Aragorn get his legendary sword? Or, now here's a shocker, does he already have it? He could have gotten it in FotR, and PJ just deemed it not worthy of a scene. The scene in the special edition with Aragorn at Gilraen's grave has me puzzling over this, because I know they talked about reforging Narsil, but did they actually do it? __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

12-25-2002, 12:42 PM	#2
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	Aragorn handed over a sword that looked like Narsil to Hama at Meduseld, but without question or qualm. Evidently the reforging was not deemed necessary. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

12-25-2002, 04:35 PM	#3
Aragorn Husband of Arwen Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the West... Posts: 30	My only hope is that there isn't a scene, but he already has it.<P>But my figuring is we'll see it at the end...where it shouldn't be. __________________ Merry Christmas Everyone!

12-26-2002, 05:50 PM	#4
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	I do not know when Aragorn is going to get it, or if he is. In TTT it seemed he had the same sword that he had in the first movie, though I do not want to see a scene where Arwen comes or anything, for me that would be very dumb. Maybe Peter Jackson is just making a stupid mistake by thinking it is not important to the story, though I hope we see it because they kind of talked about it in the first one. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

12-26-2002, 11:04 PM	#5
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	I just finished watching the the appendices for the extended DVD again and realized something. Narsil has a hollow pommel, so it will be really recognizable when he finally gets it. Now I won't have to worry anymore. Thanks. __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

12-31-2002, 12:10 AM	#6
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	I just realized something, I went and saw TTT today for the 3rd time. When I was watching it, there is that one scene where Arwen is standing by a dead Aragorn, and he is holding a sword, the sword is Narsil.<P>Because he is holding the same sword that is in the painting in Rivendell, so he is going to get it, but the question is, when? __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

12-31-2002, 02:11 AM	#7
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Hmmm... maybe I'll have to watch a little more pedantically to check up on it, but I've seen it stated by the filmmakers that Aragorn has two swords, one at the start and one after Rivendell. Elrond does tell him that the sword will be reforged, and surely this means it is as good as done? Taking up valuable screen time with the Elvish smiths would have been out of the question, although I am curious (read: sceptical) about how they could have made it better than the original. What was Tolkien thinking?<P>I really think Aragorn should have blown his own trumpet a little more, though. I miss the line "Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!", and I think he should have mentioned to Hama that, oh by the way this sword is something like 8000 years old so please look after it! __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

12-31-2002, 11:33 AM	#8
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	Ah, but the sword he handed over wasn't Narsil. It didn't have a hollow pommel! And, looking at all the special edition spoilers, it seems as though Arwen has it in Lothlorien at the moment. He'll probably get it in RoTK. sigh __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

12-31-2002, 11:57 AM	#9
GreyIstar Wight Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dallas Posts: 116	PJ did mention in hsi comentary that Narsil will play a big role. Actually I think he will get it at the beginning of of Return of the King. When Arwens brothers come (book) who ever comes in the movie to give him his banner they will bring the sword.<P>But I always thought that Arwen would bring it to Lothlorien and Haldir would bring it to Aragorn before the battle of Helm's deep. hmmm __________________ Keeper of the site Ring Lord. "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord."

01-01-2003, 07:19 AM	#10
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Interesting! Wery inter-esting... But if Narsil/Anduril was going to play such a huge part in ROTK, shouldn't we have been explicitly told in FOTR that Aragorn didn't have it? Maybe he and Elrond could've had their conversation in the Narsil Room, and Aragorn could've left straight away without the sword reforged. Then we wouldn't have to play guessing games about it! I mean come on, if <B>anal</B>-ytical Tolkien fans can't make out what's going on with the sword, how can the majority of the audience be expected to keep up with such a small detail? __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.