Concerning Sauron - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

GreyIstar · 09-16-2002, 01:14 PM

I am asking a question of which I do not know, or do not remember if it is told in any detail during my readings.

Does anyone know exactly what Sauron's "Fair Form" was and what it looked like other than the very vague fair? I know it was destroyed when Numenor was destroyed and he made the form of the Darklord shortly after.

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burrahobbit · 09-16-2002, 01:18 PM

Not that I am aware of, though I am unaware of a lot.

Kuruharan · 09-16-2002, 02:06 PM

Tolkien never described Sauron's "fair" form. He only gave a rather vague description of his terrible form. That was probably deliberate.

I would assume that there would be certain similarities between the two forms. The fair form was probably rather tall and majestic.

GreyIstar · 09-16-2002, 04:24 PM

I was just wondering if I missed something somewhere. I would imagine it is an noble form that one could look at with out fear. I imagine just seeing Sauron's terrible form would cause everyone but the most brave to freeze with utter fear.

Mithuial · 09-16-2002, 07:48 PM

I'm always a little grateful for vague discriptions because it forces me to use my imagination and I get to make Sauron's "fair form" look however I want. There are other times though that I really wish he would've expanded on someone or something. He's usually very thorough, though

Mithuial · 09-16-2002, 07:50 PM

lol, I think everyone coulda figured this out, but when I say "he" I mean Tolkien not Sauron. I was reading over my post after I posted it and it sounded kinda funny. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

The Silver-shod Muse · 09-16-2002, 08:57 PM

I imagined it like some tall, white form, very beautiful to look at like fire or lightning, but dangerous too.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-17-2002, 09:29 AM

Do you imagine Sauron appeared a bit like a Man? It was when he survived the lightning strike that men called him a God so I don't think he would look too unusual before.

Slightly off topic but I thought that the Valar may have appeared similar to Elves while among the Elves. Is this possible or is it way wrong?

***Sharkû*** · 09-17-2002, 11:28 AM

This is from the (much to my dismay) early abandoned story The Lost Road in HoME V, Sauron's coming to Númenór:

"Upon that ship which was cast highest and stood dry upon a hill there was a man, or one in man's shape, but greater than any even of the race of Numenor in stature.
'He stood upon the rock and said: "This is done as a sign of power. For I am Sauron the mighty, servant of the Strong" (wherein he spoke darkly). "I have come. Be glad, men of Numenor, for I will take thy king to be my king, and the world shall be given into his hand.
'And it seemed to men that Sauron was great; though they feared the light of his eyes. To many he appeared fair, to others
terrible; but to some evil. But they led him to the king, and he was humble before Tarkalion."

GreyIstar · 09-17-2002, 01:05 PM

That sounds like what I imagined. Someone who seemed powerful and high in stature and depending on how keene a person's perception was let you see beneath all the fairness.

09-16-2002, 01:14 PM	#1
GreyIstar Wight Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dallas Posts: 116	Concerning Sauron I am asking a question of which I do not know, or do not remember if it is told in any detail during my readings. Does anyone know exactly what Sauron's "Fair Form" was and what it looked like other than the very vague fair? I know it was destroyed when Numenor was destroyed and he made the form of the Darklord shortly after. [ September 16, 2002: Message edited by: GreyIstar ] __________________ Keeper of the site Ring Lord. "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord."

09-16-2002, 01:18 PM	#2
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	Not that I am aware of, though I am unaware of a lot. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

09-16-2002, 02:06 PM	#3
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,589	Tolkien never described Sauron's "fair" form. He only gave a rather vague description of his terrible form. That was probably deliberate. I would assume that there would be certain similarities between the two forms. The fair form was probably rather tall and majestic. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

09-16-2002, 04:24 PM	#4
GreyIstar Wight Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dallas Posts: 116	I was just wondering if I missed something somewhere. I would imagine it is an noble form that one could look at with out fear. I imagine just seeing Sauron's terrible form would cause everyone but the most brave to freeze with utter fear. __________________ Keeper of the site Ring Lord. "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord."

09-16-2002, 07:48 PM	#5
Mithuial Animated Skeleton Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Doriath Posts: 35	I'm always a little grateful for vague discriptions because it forces me to use my imagination and I get to make Sauron's "fair form" look however I want. There are other times though that I really wish he would've expanded on someone or something. He's usually very thorough, though __________________ "And Maglor answered: 'If it be truly the Silmaril which we saw cast into the sea that rises again by the power of the Valar, then let us be glad; for its glory is seen now by many, and is yet secure from all evil.' Then the Elves looked up, and despaired no longer, but Morgoth was filled with doubt." -The Silmarillion.

09-16-2002, 07:50 PM	#6
Mithuial Animated Skeleton Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Doriath Posts: 35	lol, I think everyone coulda figured this out, but when I say "he" I mean Tolkien not Sauron. I was reading over my post after I posted it and it sounded kinda funny. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "And Maglor answered: 'If it be truly the Silmaril which we saw cast into the sea that rises again by the power of the Valar, then let us be glad; for its glory is seen now by many, and is yet secure from all evil.' Then the Elves looked up, and despaired no longer, but Morgoth was filled with doubt." -The Silmarillion.

09-16-2002, 08:57 PM	#7
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	I imagined it like some tall, white form, very beautiful to look at like fire or lightning, but dangerous too. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

09-17-2002, 09:29 AM	#8
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Do you imagine Sauron appeared a bit like a Man? It was when he survived the lightning strike that men called him a God so I don't think he would look too unusual before. Slightly off topic but I thought that the Valar may have appeared similar to Elves while among the Elves. Is this possible or is it way wrong? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

09-17-2002, 11:28 AM	#9
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	This is from the (much to my dismay) early abandoned story The Lost Road in HoME V, Sauron's coming to Númenór: "Upon that ship which was cast highest and stood dry upon a hill there was a man, or one in man's shape, but greater than any even of the race of Numenor in stature. 'He stood upon the rock and said: "This is done as a sign of power. For I am Sauron the mighty, servant of the Strong" (wherein he spoke darkly). "I have come. Be glad, men of Numenor, for I will take thy king to be my king, and the world shall be given into his hand. 'And it seemed to men that Sauron was great; though they feared the light of his eyes. To many he appeared fair, to others terrible; but to some evil. But they led him to the king, and he was humble before Tarkalion."

09-17-2002, 01:05 PM	#10
GreyIstar Wight Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dallas Posts: 116	That sounds like what I imagined. Someone who seemed powerful and high in stature and depending on how keene a person's perception was let you see beneath all the fairness. __________________ Keeper of the site Ring Lord. "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord."