Evil Breath - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Iargwath · 12-22-2002, 05:49 AM

It is said that the Evil Breath was a wind carried out from Angband and brought sickness to Dor-Lomin. It also was the reason for Urwen's (Turin's sister) death. I presume the Evil Breath was created by Morgoth...But what exactly is the Evil Breath? And why did it cause plague only to the people of Dor-Lomin? Could it be that the curse had indeed begun earlier for Hurin's family? Since a life was claimed? (Urwen)

Manwe Sulimo · 12-22-2002, 09:10 AM

Definetly smallpox spores released by Sadda--err, Morgoth, that could only affect humans.

Voronwe · 12-22-2002, 10:40 AM

Elves, by their nature, were not subject to disease, so it's hardly surprising that the plauge only affected the humans living in Dor-Lomin.

PS - There's no such thing as a smallpox spore.

Manwe Sulimo · 12-22-2002, 02:38 PM

That's what they want you to think [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

I agree with Voronwe. There were very few Men living that close to Angband (other than in Dor-lómin, of course), so there would be few other deaths.

Galorme · 12-22-2002, 05:04 PM

Some sort of disease I expect, but probably an auto-immune one rather than a direct attack (Seems like Morgoth's style to turn the body against itself). If Melkor couldn't make anything living where did diseases come from? Does that mean they were a creation of Eru?

the real findorfin · 12-22-2002, 05:09 PM

I would say that diseases are more of a natural creature, trying to survive.

But then, I thought Ice was natural so there! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

PLZ IGNORE STUPID RANT!!

Iargwath · 12-23-2002, 06:42 AM

Oh i understand now. So i guess that Tolkien wanted you to think that the curse had begun earlier??

doug*platypus · 12-26-2002, 09:49 PM

Yeah, it does kind of say that Morgoth created it. I'm sure that diseases had a role in the Theme of Iluvatar like everything else; they have done pretty well as population controls in the last few thousand years. Maybe it was Mustard Gas. Tolkien was in World War 1, remember.

12-22-2002, 05:49 AM	#1
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	Evil Breath It is said that the Evil Breath was a wind carried out from Angband and brought sickness to Dor-Lomin. It also was the reason for Urwen's (Turin's sister) death. I presume the Evil Breath was created by Morgoth...But what exactly is the Evil Breath? And why did it cause plague only to the people of Dor-Lomin? Could it be that the curse had indeed begun earlier for Hurin's family? Since a life was claimed? (Urwen) __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

12-22-2002, 09:10 AM	#2
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Definetly smallpox spores released by Sadda--err, Morgoth, that could only affect humans. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-22-2002, 10:40 AM	#3
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	Elves, by their nature, were not subject to disease, so it's hardly surprising that the plauge only affected the humans living in Dor-Lomin. PS - There's no such thing as a smallpox spore. __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

12-22-2002, 02:38 PM	#4
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	That's what they want you to think [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I agree with Voronwe. There were very few Men living that close to Angband (other than in Dor-lómin, of course), so there would be few other deaths. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-22-2002, 05:04 PM	#5
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	Some sort of disease I expect, but probably an auto-immune one rather than a direct attack (Seems like Morgoth's style to turn the body against itself). If Melkor couldn't make anything living where did diseases come from? Does that mean they were a creation of Eru? __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

12-22-2002, 05:09 PM	#6
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	I would say that diseases are more of a natural creature, trying to survive. But then, I thought Ice was natural so there! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] PLZ IGNORE STUPID RANT!! __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

12-23-2002, 06:42 AM	#7
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	Oh i understand now. So i guess that Tolkien wanted you to think that the curse had begun earlier?? __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

12-26-2002, 09:49 PM	#8
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Yeah, it does kind of say that Morgoth created it. I'm sure that diseases had a role in the Theme of Iluvatar like everything else; they have done pretty well as population controls in the last few thousand years. Maybe it was Mustard Gas. Tolkien was in World War 1, remember. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.