Carn Dum - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Boffer · 07-27-2002, 10:21 AM

Ok. All i know bout Carn Dum is it's location. What i wanna know is........Why is it so evil? who made it evil? who built it? when was it built? what was there? was there anything there during the fellowship? just whatever you know bout this place please throw it in here.

oh and just so everybody knows,,bombadil was a magical petty-dwarf [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Manwe Sulimo · 07-27-2002, 11:06 AM

Carn Dûm was the stronghold of the Witch-King's (Lord of the Nazgûl) realm of Angmar in Eriador. He constructed it after the War of the Alliance to destroy Arnor (the realm of the northern Dúnedain). It is located at near the base of the Misty Mountains far north of Rivendell and the Trollshaws. The Witch-king held much of the Northern Land against the Three Houses of Arnor (Arthedain, Cardolan, and Rhudaur), who were at civil war. Rhudaur allied with Angmar against the other two, who allied each other and Círdan and Elrond. The Witch-king eventually conquered about half of Old Arnor (Rhudaur and northern Arthedain), including the city of Fornost. Gondor finally came to the aid of their northern brothers and helped the Elves of Lindon retake Fornost. The Witch-king was beaten by the King of Gondor (I think it was Eärnil) and Glorfindel (from FotR). Angmar was purged of its evil and Carn Dûm destroyed. All that remained at the time of the War of the Ring was a legend, and the Barrow-wights (ghosts of the Princes of Arthedain).

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Elrian · 07-27-2002, 01:11 PM

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Barrow-wights (ghosts of the Princes of Arthedain).

Barrow Wights are evil spirits from Angmar who infested the Great Barrows after TA 1636.

Kuruharan · 07-27-2002, 03:39 PM

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He constructed it after the War of the Alliance to destroy Arnor

There is a theory, based on the Dwarvish name, that Carn-dum was an abandoned Dwarven settlement that the Witch-king reinhabited and turned into his capital.

Aside from the linguistic connection (primarily resting on the "-dum" ending) it is unsubstantiated, but it seems plausible and I like to believe it.

Sarin Elfarmour · 07-27-2002, 07:27 PM

Maybe, but i didnt think the dwarves ever went to that area

Kuruharan · 07-27-2002, 08:57 PM

Yes, they did. During the days of their greatest power they had delvings and settlements running all up and down the Misty Mountains from Khazad-dum to Mount Gundabad.

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Dimaldaeon · 07-29-2002, 10:19 AM

I always though that Carn Dum was a mountain and that the Witch King just had a HQ there. As for the Dwarf theory, I read somewhere that some Dwarves lived in this area but moved south to Khazad Dum during the second age. By the way Carn Dum is north of Mt Gundabad.

Boffer · 07-29-2002, 11:52 AM

Also,,,Mount Gundabad was the headquaters for the orcs or the misty mountains right? i think that was mentioned somewhere in The Hobbit. what od yall think?

Kuruharan · 07-29-2002, 02:36 PM

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As for the Dwarf theory, I read somewhere that some Dwarves lived in this area but moved south to Khazad Dum during the second age. By the way Carn Dum is north of Mt Gundabad.

I believe that there were still some Dwarves in the area until Gundabad fell to orcs in the early Third Age.

Yes, Carn-dum is north of Gundabad. That statement was hyperbole. I didn't mean for it to be taken as an exact measurement of the extent of the Dwarf mines. They probably had outposts to the south of Khazad-dum as well.

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Also,,,Mount Gundabad was the headquaters for the orcs or the misty mountains right? i think that was mentioned somewhere in The Hobbit. what od yall think?

Yes, it was at that time. But that was late in the Third Age. As I said above it had belonged to the Dwarves until the orcs took it and made it into their capital.

07-27-2002, 10:21 AM	#1
Boffer Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Student Posts: 18	Carn Dum Ok. All i know bout Carn Dum is it's location. What i wanna know is........Why is it so evil? who made it evil? who built it? when was it built? what was there? was there anything there during the fellowship? just whatever you know bout this place please throw it in here. oh and just so everybody knows,,bombadil was a magical petty-dwarf [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

07-27-2002, 11:06 AM	#2
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Carn Dûm was the stronghold of the Witch-King's (Lord of the Nazgûl) realm of Angmar in Eriador. He constructed it after the War of the Alliance to destroy Arnor (the realm of the northern Dúnedain). It is located at near the base of the Misty Mountains far north of Rivendell and the Trollshaws. The Witch-king held much of the Northern Land against the Three Houses of Arnor (Arthedain, Cardolan, and Rhudaur), who were at civil war. Rhudaur allied with Angmar against the other two, who allied each other and Círdan and Elrond. The Witch-king eventually conquered about half of Old Arnor (Rhudaur and northern Arthedain), including the city of Fornost. Gondor finally came to the aid of their northern brothers and helped the Elves of Lindon retake Fornost. The Witch-king was beaten by the King of Gondor (I think it was Eärnil) and Glorfindel (from FotR). Angmar was purged of its evil and Carn Dûm destroyed. All that remained at the time of the War of the Ring was a legend, and the Barrow-wights (ghosts of the Princes of Arthedain). [ July 27, 2002: Message edited by: Manwe Sulimo ] __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

07-27-2002, 07:27 PM	#5
Sarin Elfarmour Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 43	Maybe, but i didnt think the dwarves ever went to that area __________________ Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu

07-27-2002, 08:57 PM	#6
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,589	Yes, they did. During the days of their greatest power they had delvings and settlements running all up and down the Misty Mountains from Khazad-dum to Mount Gundabad. [ July 27, 2002: Message edited by: Kuruharan ] __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

07-29-2002, 10:19 AM	#7
Dimaldaeon Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ireland & damn proud of it. Posts: 125	I always though that Carn Dum was a mountain and that the Witch King just had a HQ there. As for the Dwarf theory, I read somewhere that some Dwarves lived in this area but moved south to Khazad Dum during the second age. By the way Carn Dum is north of Mt Gundabad. __________________ Dear Saddam, Do not disunderestimate me.Yours G.W.Bush You're not drunk if you can still hold onto a blade of grass to stop yourself from falling off the face of the Earth

07-29-2002, 11:52 AM	#8
Boffer Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Student Posts: 18	Also,,,Mount Gundabad was the headquaters for the orcs or the misty mountains right? i think that was mentioned somewhere in The Hobbit. what od yall think?