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What do you think happend to Amandil and his 3 servants? He was a 'good guy' i dont like to think he died at sea and never reached the undieing lands, he was after all trying to gain help from the Valar befor Ar-Pharazon's fleet headed in to the wast.
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Too bad there was never a 'White Book of Aman' for a Maia to keep the happenings of Aman on record.
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in the Akallabeth it is written:
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I have checked this with The Silmarillion, and i have found that it doesn't say anything about what happened but that he set out for Valinor and never returned.
Sorry if thats no use-i am just referring to the book!
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Jurion: he didn't do what he set out to in that he didn't reach Aman in time for the ships to be stopped, but the question was, did he reach Aman? If not, what became of him? If so, how did the people there receive him?
We're aware that the book says what happened ot him is not known. What is your opinion on what happened, though? [ February 06, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ]
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The only mortals to ever reach Valinor in Tolkien's legendarium were Tuor, Turambar (through Mandos), the fleet of Al-Pharazon, and the ship of Earendil. (Although Tol-Eressea wasn't as exclusive as it later became.) Considering that by the time that the history of Numenor came to be complete all but the latter two were dropped I think it is highly unlikely that Amandil could have made it.
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I doubt it very much whether Amandil reached M-E. I excpect Elendil's rescuing was an act of Eru himself. Another example of 'good coming out of evil'.
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I it just seems slightly 'unfaire', i think he did make it to Aman but just not in time i would gess he got there befor Ar-Pharazon (if he did get there) as he would have been court in the destruction. I always thort that he may have got the Valar to spair the faithful i mean they did get to m/e 'riding' on top of the waves that wrecked Numenor!
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Well Legolas, I think that Amandil indeed did reach Aman, and there he pleaded with Manwe to save the men of Numenor. Manwe ignored his pleas but did agree to at least save the Faithfull.
But still Amandil had ignored the Ban of the Valar and thus was not allowed to remain in Aman. PS. This post is somewhat contradictory to my earlier post but after thinking it over I reached this conclusion. |
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The first rule (as far as I am concerned) in analyzing and interpretting literature is this; if it isn't anywhere in the text, it didn't happen. Amandil's sucess isn't hinted at or stated ANYWHERE in Tolkien's writing, while strong indicators to the contrary are present.
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I really doubt that Amandil would've lasted long in Aman anyway, as he was pretty old when he left. (About 200+, since Ar-Prazon and him were around about the same age and Ar-Pharazon, was, I think 210 when he left to take over Aman.)
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It might just be me but i like to think about what could have happend but we werent told about it. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
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