Erendis or Aldarion? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Tuor in Gondolin · 06-25-2007, 11:41 AM

So, which of the dysfunctial couple do you think has
the better case/ is the more sympatico? In UT CT's
editing of JRRT's writings seems to make it a near run
thing as to who has the better case, or to put it another
way, who is the more immature. I mean, those crazy kids
had everything! It would seem the only two real grownups
in the tale are Aldarion's dad and Erendis's mom. And
shouldn't Aldarion have toughed it out until at least there
were a few more heirs? After all even Chuck and Di didn't
call it quits until they had an heir and a spare.

Elmo · 06-27-2007, 01:33 PM

Erendis was in the wrong. She should have stopped nagging him just because he wanted to do a bit of sailing. I'm not being sexist here but she should have had his dinner on the table and a nice cup of tea like a good wife should when he came back from one of his 7 year voyages and not constantly whinging.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 06-27-2007, 05:59 PM

It has been a while since I read that bit, but I remember my reaction quite good. . .

I was filled with despise fpr Aldarion. . . what a moron he was. I do not think he should have married Erendis, if he where going to sail the amount that he did.

I am not saying that Erendis was being resonable at all times, but the times where she goes overboard was mostly provoced by Aldarion. At least that is how I remember it.

Elmo · 06-28-2007, 07:13 AM

A lot of people in Tolkien's legandarium have become enamoured by the sea why should Aldarion be singled out. Some might say Earendil should have been at the Havens of Sirion when they were assaulted to protect his wife and children but no, he was sailing about. You never hear a bad word about Earendil.

Lindale · 06-28-2007, 07:14 PM

They were both wrong, almost emo-ey kids with foolishly high prides. They had their own wrongs, like Erendis being impatient and cold towards her husband, and Aldarion, inconsiderate of his wife's needs (and wants) and not to mention life span. And then their high prides, and passing that to Ancalime. Truly, shadow of the Shadow, because it is not only the pride they passed to their daughter, it's also their stupidity about life being not that long enough.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 06-28-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo

A lot of people in Tolkien's legandarium have become enamoured by the sea why should Aldarion be singled out. Some might say Earendil should have been at the Havens of Sirion when they were assaulted to protect his wife and children but no, he was sailing about. You never hear a bad word about Earendil.

No but you never hear his wife complaint about it and that is really essential to this thread.

Elmo · 06-29-2007, 03:31 AM

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No but you never hear his wife complaint about it and that is really essential to this thread.

One of the great untold stories of the legendarium methinks

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Tar-Telperien · 06-30-2007, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo

Erendis was in the wrong. She should have stopped nagging him just because he wanted to do a bit of sailing. I'm not being sexist here but she should have had his dinner on the table and a nice cup of tea like a good wife should when he came back from one of his 7 year voyages and not constantly whinging.

Nope, not sexist at all.

Lalaith · 06-30-2007, 04:31 AM

My sympathies are with Erendis because I think she loved Aldarion far more than he loved her, she was hurt more, and that kind of lack of balance is always horrible in a relationship.
Also there was the disparity in life-spans which Aldarion never took into account.

Knight of Gondor · 06-30-2007, 08:57 PM

I was mad at both of them after reading the story.

Aldarion, fool that thou art! The love of a beautiful maiden you had, and cast it away! You cut into the very heart and beauty of Numenor, for the sake of your pride and your love for the sea! You despised the heart of a woman for the cold and threatening love of the sea.

Erendis, little pity can I spare you, neglected though you were! You poisoned the heart of your child, and you scorned all men for the sake of one whose heart recklessly followed the longing of the sea. Well did you know his heart ere you plighted your troth to him. Can you hate him for being what you knew him to be?

Ye are dysfunctional jerks, both of ye!

06-25-2007, 11:41 AM	#1
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Erendis or Aldarion? So, which of the dysfunctial couple do you think has the better case/ is the more sympatico? In UT CT's editing of JRRT's writings seems to make it a near run thing as to who has the better case, or to put it another way, who is the more immature. I mean, those crazy kids had everything! It would seem the only two real grownups in the tale are Aldarion's dad and Erendis's mom. And shouldn't Aldarion have toughed it out until at least there were a few more heirs? After all even Chuck and Di didn't call it quits until they had an heir and a spare. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

06-27-2007, 01:33 PM	#2
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Erendis was in the wrong. She should have stopped nagging him just because he wanted to do a bit of sailing. I'm not being sexist here but she should have had his dinner on the table and a nice cup of tea like a good wife should when he came back from one of his 7 year voyages and not constantly whinging. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering. Last edited by HeWhoArisesInMight; 06-27-2007 at 02:05 PM.

06-28-2007, 07:13 AM	#4
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	A lot of people in Tolkien's legandarium have become enamoured by the sea why should Aldarion be singled out. Some might say Earendil should have been at the Havens of Sirion when they were assaulted to protect his wife and children but no, he was sailing about. You never hear a bad word about Earendil. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

06-28-2007, 07:14 PM	#5
Lindale Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: midway upon... in a forest dark Posts: 975	They were both wrong, almost emo-ey kids with foolishly high prides. They had their own wrongs, like Erendis being impatient and cold towards her husband, and Aldarion, inconsiderate of his wife's needs (and wants) and not to mention life span. And then their high prides, and passing that to Ancalime. Truly, shadow of the Shadow, because it is not only the pride they passed to their daughter, it's also their stupidity about life being not that long enough. __________________ The heart does things for reasons Reason itself cannot comprehend. - Blaise Pascal Legal Madness.

06-30-2007, 04:31 AM	#9
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	My sympathies are with Erendis because I think she loved Aldarion far more than he loved her, she was hurt more, and that kind of lack of balance is always horrible in a relationship. Also there was the disparity in life-spans which Aldarion never took into account. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

06-30-2007, 08:57 PM	#10
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	I was mad at both of them after reading the story. Aldarion, fool that thou art! The love of a beautiful maiden you had, and cast it away! You cut into the very heart and beauty of Numenor, for the sake of your pride and your love for the sea! You despised the heart of a woman for the cold and threatening love of the sea. Erendis, little pity can I spare you, neglected though you were! You poisoned the heart of your child, and you scorned all men for the sake of one whose heart recklessly followed the longing of the sea. Well did you know his heart ere you plighted your troth to him. Can you hate him for being what you knew him to be? Ye are dysfunctional jerks, both of ye! __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16