The Mistreatment and Disgrace of Imrahil - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

MatthewM · 02-27-2007, 07:19 PM

Not only do they reject Imrahil's important presence in the films, but look who they casted him as. A blond haired, scruffy looking mess. This guy looks like a slob. His demeanor is completely out of character. If you don't know who I'm talking about, it's the guy who says something along these lines after Faramir returns from Osgilith: "It is as the Lord Denethor predicted, long has he forseen this doom!"

I love the movies. But somethings just shouldn't have been. If you're not going to use Imrahil's character, don't represent him by some guy who looks nothing like he should. Opinions?

Thinlómien · 02-28-2007, 07:03 AM

Well, I and my sister have decided that the "scruffy looking mess" is not the Imrahil in the movies (after all, no one calls him that in the movies), but that the horse who drags Faramir to the city is the Imrahil of the movies. Much more noble, much better-looking (though I'm not into horses that way

) and much more like Imrahil in the books (if you look what he's doing: rescuing Faramir, not giving Denethor stupid advice).

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If you're not going to use Imrahil's character, don't represent him by some guy who looks nothing like he should.

I agree. Maybe they just needed a name for the character?

Anguirel · 02-28-2007, 08:04 AM

Actually, I'm fairly sure that this chap being Imrahil was just an internet rumour. I seem to recall he was credited as "Iorlas", or something similar, so the vage resemblance of the names might have caused confusion.

It rather amuses me that Imrahil is missed so much more than Beregond. I mean, I agree, I think Imrahil's amazing, but Beregond is a rather more important character in terms of coverage, and interesting in that he's one of the few "commoners" we meet. And he's the link Tolkien chose to adopt in The New Shadow.

MatthewM · 02-28-2007, 05:14 PM

Well, I never said he was more important than Beregond, I like both of the characters the same to be honest. But no, that guy was supposed to be Imrahil. If you check out the playing card series (you can pull it up on eBay) that guy's picture is listed under the name "Imrahil".

Anguirel · 03-01-2007, 09:07 AM

I wouldn't worry about casting used in the merchandise. In the film the poor gormless blondie was cast as "Iorlas", who was mentioned in the book as Bergil's uncle, but played the role of that joker Gandalf talks to at the beginning of the book, called Inborn or something, I think.

The part is therefore pretty much canonical and has nothing to do with Imrahil. I don't think Tolkien would be rolling about in the old necropolis over it, to be honest.

alatar · 03-01-2007, 10:00 AM

I'm not seeing the name 'Imrahil' in the RotK IMDB cast list. And if Peter Jackson treats Gandalf and Gimli as seen, what hope would there be for such a minor character (i.e. like Eomer)?

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 03-01-2007, 12:55 PM

That line is my favourite line in any film, and not just The Lord of the Rings films.

"LONG HAS HE FORESEEN THIS DOOM!"

Mattius · 06-09-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

That line is my favourite line in any film, and not just The Lord of the Rings films.

"LONG HAS HE FORESEEN THIS DOOM!"

It is up there with Bill Paxton in Aliens: "It's game over man, game over!"

02-27-2007, 07:19 PM	#1
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	The Mistreatment and Disgrace of Imrahil Not only do they reject Imrahil's important presence in the films, but look who they casted him as. A blond haired, scruffy looking mess. This guy looks like a slob. His demeanor is completely out of character. If you don't know who I'm talking about, it's the guy who says something along these lines after Faramir returns from Osgilith: "It is as the Lord Denethor predicted, long has he forseen this doom!" I love the movies. But somethings just shouldn't have been. If you're not going to use Imrahil's character, don't represent him by some guy who looks nothing like he should. Opinions? __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring Last edited by MatthewM; 02-27-2007 at 07:23 PM.

02-28-2007, 08:04 AM	#3
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Actually, I'm fairly sure that this chap being Imrahil was just an internet rumour. I seem to recall he was credited as "Iorlas", or something similar, so the vage resemblance of the names might have caused confusion. It rather amuses me that Imrahil is missed so much more than Beregond. I mean, I agree, I think Imrahil's amazing, but Beregond is a rather more important character in terms of coverage, and interesting in that he's one of the few "commoners" we meet. And he's the link Tolkien chose to adopt in The New Shadow. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

02-28-2007, 05:14 PM	#4
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	Well, I never said he was more important than Beregond, I like both of the characters the same to be honest. But no, that guy was supposed to be Imrahil. If you check out the playing card series (you can pull it up on eBay) that guy's picture is listed under the name "Imrahil". __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring

03-01-2007, 09:07 AM	#5
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I wouldn't worry about casting used in the merchandise. In the film the poor gormless blondie was cast as "Iorlas", who was mentioned in the book as Bergil's uncle, but played the role of that joker Gandalf talks to at the beginning of the book, called Inborn or something, I think. The part is therefore pretty much canonical and has nothing to do with Imrahil. I don't think Tolkien would be rolling about in the old necropolis over it, to be honest. __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

03-01-2007, 10:00 AM	#6
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	I'm not seeing the name 'Imrahil' in the RotK IMDB cast list. And if Peter Jackson treats Gandalf and Gimli as seen, what hope would there be for such a minor character (i.e. like Eomer)? __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

03-01-2007, 12:55 PM	#7
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	That line is my favourite line in any film, and not just The Lord of the Rings films. "LONG HAS HE FORESEEN THIS DOOM!" __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond