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			now, at Bilbo's birthday party in the Fellowship, when Bilbo calls out all the hobbits last names (Tooks, Brandybucks, Proudfoots [or Proudfeet] ETC) i didn't hear him call Gamgees and i know that sam was there. did he call gamgee and i miss it?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			in the book he doesn't mention gamgees either nor in the movie I didn't think of it but it is odd.  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			  But as I recall the bagginses and gangees were good friends and I believe the private party was more for those who he wanted to fool and laugh at so out of espect he left the gamgees out of the tent
		
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			Gamgee's was not a name called out by Bilbo.  The only explanation I can come up with is Sam (as well as his dad and other Gamgee's) had been servants of the Bagginses (Bilbo and Frodo).  Sam's dad Hamfast was Bilbo's servant, Sam was Frodo's servant.  So, just showing that maybe there names weren't "worthy."  Frodo saw Sam as a servant in the beginning but later became his best friend.  Also, the Gamgee's were a poor family but Bilbo was always kind to them giving them gifts.  So I can only say they weren't "worthy" enough to be called out. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			Morsul, possibly, but Baggins, Tooks, Brandybucks, Bolgers were all called out and as far as I know Bilbo was friendly to them. Last edited by Boromir88; 07-27-2004 at 10:58 AM.  | 
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			It's true that the films made no attempt to show this class divide.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			Neither Hamfast nor Sam were present at the Long-Expected Party as it is presented in the book.  The guests in the tent were those invited to the special family dinner-party, and the numbers were restricted to twelve dozen.  They were: 
		
		
		
		
		
		
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 As Eomer has pointed out, the film does not play on the class divide and so the Gamgees (or Sam at least) were present at the party. The reason that they are not mentioned in Bilbo's speech is, no doubt, because they lifted the speech straight from the book (where no Gamgees were present). 
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			It's true that the class difference isn't played out that much in the movies, although maybe audiences wouldn't have liked the master and servant relationship as much as two friends sticking together through thick and thin.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Encaitare I do agree, I think the master servant relationship would have had a negative effect on the audience.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Well, that's the 21st century for you! 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			Saucepan Man almost nonchalantly provides the most sensible answer, and makes the rest of us wonder Why didn't I say that? 
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			Indeed I was at work and I had thought of that answer all proud I can to the Downs just to find Saucepanman already said it  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			 
		
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