Trolls and sunlight - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Maeglanthirion · 01-04-2004, 12:18 AM

I have a question concerning the trolls. Now, in the hobbit, Biblo escaped from the trolls because the sun rose and turned them to stone. Now in the movie, there were all these trolls running around in broad daylight. Were they a different kind of troll? And what were the normal Mordor orcs doing in broad daylight at the Pelennor?

Iris Alantiel · 01-04-2004, 10:40 AM

Heyyyyy, I never noticed that! Well, I mean, I noticed there were trolls and orcs running around, but it never occured to me that they shouldn't have been out in daylight. Hmm.<P>The only thing I can think of is that maybe because the days were growing darker, it wasn't bright enough for the trolls and orcs to be affected by it. I realize I'm probably stretching a little bit, or maybe a lot. Definitely open to other suggestions.

Gil-Galad · 01-04-2004, 12:19 PM

remember teh uruk-hai? they coudl withstand sunlight, most orcs can also survive it, but it weakens them, for trolls... in the hobbit gandalf turned them into stone by doing something with light, but sauron made Olog-Hai, just like hte uruk-hai, but as a troll

mollecon · 01-04-2004, 02:38 PM

I don't think Tolkien himself ever fully explained the differences between orcs, goblins, trolls... It's true the uruks ability to withstand sunlight is 'explained' by them being a cross between men & orcs - but there are discrepancies, to say the least.

metropolis_part_one · 01-04-2004, 04:36 PM

The Trolls that were running about in the daylight were not ordinary Trolls, they were bred especially by Sauron and were called 'Olog-hai'. They were not afraid of daylight and could survive it because they were driven by the will of Sauron. When he perished, they became purposeless and simply wandered, and eventually all perished or were slain.

***The Barrow-Wight*** · 01-04-2004, 06:22 PM

There are two articles on our <A HREF="http://www.barrowdowns.com/Articles.asp" TARGET=_blank>ARTICLES Page</A> that have the word 'Olog-hai' in their title. Check them out!

The Only Real Estel · 01-05-2004, 09:57 AM

Also, I think the only orcs that had a lot of trouble running about in the sun where the orcs from Moria, & they had trouble because they'd been in the dark for so long. Also, there where at least 3 different kinds of trolls, with the stone trolls seeming to be the smartest (since they could carry on conversations), or at least compared to the 'movie trolls'.

The Wraith · 01-05-2004, 10:01 AM

Sauron bred the Olog-Hai.They could withstand sunlight.

Gil-Galad · 01-05-2004, 05:29 PM

your thinking of mountain trolls, they can hold conversation, but can't withstand light<P>The wraith, i know that, i just said it a few posts up, well welcoem to the downs!!!<p>[ 6:30 PM January 05, 2004: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ]

01-04-2004, 12:18 AM	#1
Maeglanthirion Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 47	Trolls and sunlight I have a question concerning the trolls. Now, in the hobbit, Biblo escaped from the trolls because the sun rose and turned them to stone. Now in the movie, there were all these trolls running around in broad daylight. Were they a different kind of troll? And what were the normal Mordor orcs doing in broad daylight at the Pelennor? __________________ "I see in your eyes, the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come, when the courage of men fails, and we break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. This day, we fight!..."

01-04-2004, 10:40 AM	#2
Iris Alantiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Valinor Posts: 97	Heyyyyy, I never noticed that! Well, I mean, I noticed there were trolls and orcs running around, but it never occured to me that they shouldn't have been out in daylight. Hmm.<P>The only thing I can think of is that maybe because the days were growing darker, it wasn't bright enough for the trolls and orcs to be affected by it. I realize I'm probably stretching a little bit, or maybe a lot. Definitely open to other suggestions. __________________ Above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell: I will not say the Day is done, nor bid the Stars farewell. -- Samwise Gamgee

01-04-2004, 12:19 PM	#3
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	remember teh uruk-hai? they coudl withstand sunlight, most orcs can also survive it, but it weakens them, for trolls... in the hobbit gandalf turned them into stone by doing something with light, but sauron made Olog-Hai, just like hte uruk-hai, but as a troll __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-04-2004, 04:36 PM	#5
metropolis_part_one Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 25	The Trolls that were running about in the daylight were not ordinary Trolls, they were bred especially by Sauron and were called 'Olog-hai'. They were not afraid of daylight and could survive it because they were driven by the will of Sauron. When he perished, they became purposeless and simply wandered, and eventually all perished or were slain. __________________ For forty days and forty nights They rode through red blood to the knee And they saw neither sun nor moon But heard the roaring of the sea

01-04-2004, 06:22 PM	#6
*The Barrow-Wight* Night In Wight Satin Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,043	There are two articles on our <A HREF="http://www.barrowdowns.com/Articles.asp" TARGET=_blank>ARTICLES Page</A> that have the word 'Olog-hai' in their title. Check them out! __________________ The Barrow-Wight

01-04-2004, 02:38 PM	#4
mollecon Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 188	I don't think Tolkien himself ever fully explained the differences between orcs, goblins, trolls... It's true the uruks ability to withstand sunlight is 'explained' by them being a cross between men & orcs - but there are discrepancies, to say the least.

01-05-2004, 09:57 AM	#7
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Also, I think the only orcs that had a lot of trouble running about in the sun where the orcs from Moria, & they had trouble because they'd been in the dark for so long. Also, there where at least 3 different kinds of trolls, with the stone trolls seeming to be the smartest (since they could carry on conversations), or at least compared to the 'movie trolls'.

01-05-2004, 10:01 AM	#8
The Wraith Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: York Posts: 19	Sauron bred the Olog-Hai.They could withstand sunlight.

01-05-2004, 05:29 PM	#9
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	your thinking of mountain trolls, they can hold conversation, but can't withstand light<P>The wraith, i know that, i just said it a few posts up, well welcoem to the downs!!!<p>[ 6:30 PM January 05, 2004: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ] __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.