To Huinesoron

[Arvegil145]

About the new timeline if you have any updates?

[Arvegil145]

Because I do, from the 1964 BBC interview:

The moons, I think, finally the moons and the suns have worked out according to what they were in this part of the world in 1942 actually. They must have something where they... I mean one... I couldn’t... I’m not good enough mathematician or astronomer to work out where they might have been seven thousand, eight thousand years ago. But as long as they correspond to some real configuration I thought it was good enough. Moons are much more tricky to deal with than suns of course, but in the whole, I don’t think the moon is full or rises in the wrong place...

All of this is referring of course to the LOTR.

So perhaps '7-8,000 years ago' could be a sufficient guideline for the c. 1968+ Silvan Elves and Silvan Elvish statement of there being as many years between our time and the War of the Ring as there is between the end of the First Age and the separation of the Nandor at Hithaeglir.



P.S. Sorry for name-dropping you in the title - but I figured I would've waited another year or more if I posted this in the usual thread.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

P.S. Sorry for name-dropping you in the title - but I figured I would've waited another year or more if I posted this in the usual thread.

I mean, if I was working on any of the various timelines you'd know, because I'd be incapable of not posting about it. I have no new insights.

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

So perhaps '7-8,000 years ago' could be a sufficient guideline for the c. 1968+ Silvan Elves and Silvan Elvish statement of there being as many years between our time and the War of the Ring as there is between the end of the First Age and the separation of the Nandor at Hithaeglir.

Oh but this is good. Is this a new "final comment" on the timeline? Letters (6000 years since War of the Ring) was ca. 1958, NoME (16 000 years since Men entered Beleriand) was ca. 1960; and now this is 1964.

And naturally, it lies right between the two previous figures (6000 or 9250 years), and is vague enough that I don't know whether we would be calculating on 8000 or 7500 years.

I think you're right that this has to be our guide for the Silvan Elves comment. It looks like I really struggled to make 9250 or so years work; that's not a surprise, given that our timelines and AAm both said it was about 4000 years from the separation to the end of the Age. In fact I never did resolve it: my Version 5 timeline just cuts from 5472 to 11303 in a year. Um... whoops!

The flexibility of 7000-8000 might make it more workable. I will have to take yet another look... What we really need is an interactive timeline where you can select your assumptions. I bet I could do that, too.

hS

[Arvegil145]

Oh but this is good. Is this a new "final comment" on the timeline? Letters (6000 years since War of the Ring) was ca. 1958, NoME (16 000 years since Men entered Beleriand) was ca. 1960; and now this is 1964.

Not sure about 'final comment' (who can tell), but yes - this is the furthest I managed to dig through (Vyacheslav Stepanov actually mentioned the relevant quote about 8 months ago but I didn't register it at the time).

[Arvegil145]

Can a moderator merge this entire thread with http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=19550 ('Tolkien's final First Age timeline')?