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Shade of Carn Dûm
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So, I've recently found a passage from The Children of Hurin which somehow went under my radar all this time.
It isn't really pertinent to the main topic of this thread per se, but I think it's fascinating nonetheless, and I don't really know where else to post it. This passage (possibly) pertains to the idea of Turin coming back from...somewhere...and (maybe) inflicting the killing blow to Morgoth: Quote:
This passage was brought to light to me by the user 'Mitchboy1995' on the r/TolkienFans (https://old.reddit.com/r/tolkienfans..._the_children/ ). When do you think this passage was written? If I had to guess, sometime in the mid-to-late 1950's, alongside the majority of the CoH. Regardless, what is everyone's impression of this passage?
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Of course, it could be much nearer term and refer simply to the killing of Glaurung, depriving Morgoth of one of his top three servants
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Could 'some far day' indicate the time no more than a decade later when Turin would kill Glaurung? Finduilas is an Elf of Valinor, already well over 500 years old at this point. My instinct is that when she talks about "a far day" in "the tale [or Song] of the World", she means just that: the far, far future. She also says Turin's stature shall 'reach yet to Morgoth', which to me means he will be as important in the Music as the Dark Lord. Killing a dragon doesn't really manage that. If this is about the Last Battle, then it would come from before the amendments to the Second Prophecy in 1958, and the addition of Beren to the party that take on Morgoth. So like you say, it doesn't really touch on the main topic of the thread. I wonder, though, whether Finduilas is actually prophecying herself here - or if she's quoting someone. She is a bit of a follower, and if we look at the Legendarium as a whole, she could easily be quoting Finrod, who would in turn be quoting Andreth the Wise. hS
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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I am pretty much in total agreement with you (Huinesoron, that is) when I say that my hunch is that Finduilas is refering to some far, far more removed event than the slaying of Glaurung by Turin c. 10 years after that conversation.
After all, what is a "far day to come" to an Elf? I'd say, definitely not 10 years or so in the future, especially with Finduilas referencing the "tale of the World" with a capital 'W'. Quote:
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