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William Cloud Hicklin · 08-13-2022, 06:03 PM

Folder 19 is a fascinating miscellany, into which (presumably) Christopher put everything related to distance or measurement which didn't seem to fit with anything else. It includes inter alia "Hobbit long measures," and a remarkably large number of nots on ent-strides and how fast ents could travel

zionius · 08-13-2022, 11:58 PM

Yes, this is one of the most interesting folders for me. “Hobbit Long Measures” and “ent-stride” are published in Maker and Reader's Companion.

William Cloud Hicklin · 08-19-2022, 01:08 PM

I will be hosting a Reddit "Ask Me Anything" about the Chronology on the subreddit /r/tolkienfans next Wednesday, August 24, between 12 noon and 2 p.m. EDT (UTC-4).

Any questions you have about Tolkien's LR timeline, or more generally about his writings- please, bring it on!

zionius · 08-27-2022, 03:51 AM

Mr. Hicklin, I have compared the pictures in JRRT: The Art of the Manuscript, and suggest the following errata entries for your consideration:

p50 their camp on the bank. > their camp on bank. Sauron will not permit > Sauron will not yet permit
p75 Missing the new moon sign Ͻ in "21 W." cell. The 3 ditto marks should be right double quotation marks, intead of left ones.
p82 As you suggested, Tolkien added an emtpy entry "Ͻ 17"[July] above "18" to remind himself of moon phase. I believe he didn't changed "18" to "17". Tolkien did the same thing on the next page, where he didn't cross out the rejected "Ͻ 17"[August], but moved it to a new place to fit the modified timeline. So p82 should have two emtpy entries "Ͻ 17"[July] "Ͻ 17"[August], and "17 21" should have "17" crossed out.
p82 It seems "19 Legolas visits the Caves of Aglarond." is modified from "18" after Tolkien changed Aug. 14 to Aug. 18.
p84 while Gandalf and Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council. > while Gandalf [Inserted: Elrond] Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council.
N. and W. > [deleted: N. and W.]
p86 They reach Bree on evening of 28. > They reach Bree on evening of 28. (95 miles)
Missing full moon sign before Oct 30.
Nov 2 and 3 are revised from 1 and 2, respectively.

Bêthberry · 10-20-2022, 07:29 PM

Sneak peak of cover can be found here:

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolk..._19_Supplement

William Cloud Hicklin · 10-20-2022, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

Sneak peak of cover can be found here:

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolk..._19_Supplement

Thanks- but it isn't just a sneak peek, copies are now shipping.

Bêthberry · 10-21-2022, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

Thanks- but it isn't just a sneak peek, copies are now shipping.

Michael Drout posted a photo on FB yesterday, but I no longer have the photobucket account to let me post it here so I used the TG link. Drout didn't say they were shipping, just that the regular vol 19 was about to go to the printer. It's a very nice cover!

08-13-2022, 06:03 PM	#1
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	Folder 19 is a fascinating miscellany, into which (presumably) Christopher put everything related to distance or measurement which didn't seem to fit with anything else. It includes inter alia "Hobbit long measures," and a remarkably large number of nots on ent-strides and how fast ents could travel __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

08-27-2022, 03:51 AM	#4
zionius Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 18	Mr. Hicklin, I have compared the pictures in JRRT: The Art of the Manuscript, and suggest the following errata entries for your consideration: p50 their camp on the bank. > their camp on bank. Sauron will not permit > Sauron will not yet permit p75 Missing the new moon sign Ͻ in "21 W." cell. The 3 ditto marks should be right double quotation marks, intead of left ones. p82 As you suggested, Tolkien added an emtpy entry "Ͻ 17"[July] above "18" to remind himself of moon phase. I believe he didn't changed "18" to "17". Tolkien did the same thing on the next page, where he didn't cross out the rejected "Ͻ 17"[August], but moved it to a new place to fit the modified timeline. So p82 should have two emtpy entries "Ͻ 17"[July] "Ͻ 17"[August], and "17 21" should have "17" crossed out. p82 It seems "19 Legolas visits the Caves of Aglarond." is modified from "18" after Tolkien changed Aug. 14 to Aug. 18. p84 while Gandalf and Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council. > while Gandalf [Inserted: Elrond] Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council. N. and W. > [deleted: N. and W.] p86 They reach Bree on evening of 28. > They reach Bree on evening of 28. (95 miles) Missing full moon sign before Oct 30. Nov 2 and 3 are revised from 1 and 2, respectively. Last edited by zionius; 08-27-2022 at 03:54 AM.

10-20-2022, 07:29 PM	#5
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,003	Sneak peak of cover can be found here: https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolk..._19_Supplement __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

08-13-2022, 11:58 PM	#2
zionius Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 18	Yes, this is one of the most interesting folders for me. “Hobbit Long Measures” and “ent-stride” are published in Maker and Reader's Companion.