TIG CXVII: GAME Thread:

[Thinlómien]

The whole thing seems to have started with Boro and especially Legate's (#124) vote analyses. Legate suggests a Hui-Lottie duo, or a Pitch-Hui duo, and calls Boro's vote for Lottie "throwaway".

Huinesoron agreed with Legate about the Form kill.

Boro suspected Legate for focusing on Hui and me on his vote analysis while conveniently ignoring himself and Morsul.

Hui didn't think a wolf-Lottie would have thought innocent-Boro a seer.

Boro did a conspiracy theory post about Legate and Huin being packmates, saying "Huey's driving and getting the suspicions stirring against innocent people. Legate is narrowing in on Huey + 1 other, to softly suspect Huey and fall back on as a wolf-on-wolf vote, but trying to put the attention on the other person (Greenie Day 1 and now Lommy today)."

Right after, Hui attacked Boro, for misrepresenting both the information available to the dead thread, and misrepresenting Legate's vote analysis.

In his list post, Legate was suspicious of Huin, even though not particularly strongly. (Btw Legate, I remember you replied to me saying "you were supposed to be pro-Huinesoron!" after you voted for him that you were never pro-Huinesoron, and I can see that now. My apologies! Not sure it's a point in your favour given Huin was innocent, but at least it makes your voting more consistent than I thought it was.) He also says "I am becoming increasingly unclear, if not suspicious about what Boro is up to, because while yesterDay I overall leaned towards trusting what he was doing, toDay I am increasingly dubious about what his role in everything is. It may be influenced partly by his throwaway vote yesterDay and lastly the conspiracy theory post - I cannot tell whether that is supposed to be a mental exercise or whether he is subtly trying to cast suspicion around." and joins Huin in refuting Boro's interpretation of his (=Legate's) vote analysis. Apparently cross-posted with Huin and lauded him for thinking along similar lines.

Boro replied to Huin's defense of Legate with suspicion of Huin. However concludes with "I think Legate looks the worst out of the two (him and Huey). So, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Legate would simply attach himself to an innocent Huey to keep a smaller list of suspects." Boro also later continued by elaborating on his suspicions of Legate's vote analysis.

Boro was worried about his own tunnel vision on Legate, and noting it had elicited replies only from Legate and Huin.

In his list, Huinesoron suspected Boro and was undecided about Legate.

Legate continued arguing with Boro whether his vote analysis makes sense or not.

Huin voted for Boro.

Legate mentioned both Boro and Pitch as his vote options.

Boro defended his suspicions of Legate to Huin.

Boro then said "Legate's response does give me a slight bit of caution and glad I decided to step back. I do find his analysis still suspicious, but these are good points to my belaboring the point throughout the day [quotes Legate]". In the same post, he focuses the attack on Huin.

Huin kept arguing with Boro after his bedtime.

Legate clarified his suspicion of Huin to Pitch that he felt better about Huin but he was overall still suspicious.

Boro questioned Huin's suspicion phrasings (sorry for a bad summary, the post is #182) and voted for Huin, casting the first vote.

Legate was unsure what to think of Boro backing of him, and felt like Boro and Hui's mutual votes were a call to action for him to pick a side. He said he was more likely to vote for Boro out of the two.

Boro replied to my yelling about their triangle drama "I don't think I've erred today. If I have then may death reveal my true heart."

Legate backtracked a little on saying he preferred to vote Boro over Hui, however I'm not sure why.

Boro defended his vote for Hui while stating to Legate he was still suspicious of him too.

Legate voted for Huinesoron, saying "Okay, I think I am simply lacking the attention span to do anything more than vote. I will just go with Hui. Let's hope that if he dies, it will help untangle several questions." His vote was the fourth, sealing Huin's fate, but he likely thought it was only the third, because he xed with yours truly.

Legate still defended himself against me exclaiming he was supposed to be pro-Huinesoron, saying he'd suspected him from Day1.

After Huinesoron had got 6 votes, Boro posted the infamous one-liner "See what I mean Legate, how the 1st vote can start a bandwagon?" to which Legate replied "What's this, some sort of flaunting, when it even was not a point I disagreed on?"

Legate also commented "Last moments are making me brutally doubt Boro and what all this was about." which is interesting, because didn't he doubt Boro the whole Day?

Boro's last post for the Day was: "No I mean how I'm very nervous that everyone after me voted for Huey, after everyone kept saying it wasn't a "likely possibility." So, in my opinion either Huey is a wolf and his 2 mates bussed him. Or I'm suddenly fearing that he is as he says, just an ordo, and all these Huey votes at the end (Lommy, Legate, Pitch, Lottie) that 3 of you are wolves." Which just rubs me the wrong way for multiple reasons, because obviously he was disregarding the possibility that even if Huin was innocent, wolves could have voted for someone else too (and lo! you know who did? Our known wolf Sally.) Furthermore he absolutely fails at taking any responsibility for his own vote and - yes I will say it - scheming.

Okay. This didn't clarify very much. I think it could be two innocents butting heads (statistically rather unlikely at this point), a wolf targeting an innocent (but who is the monster and who is the maaaaaan? /end Disney reference), or hell, even wolf-on-wolf.

Boro and Legate: would you care, once again, to clearly state why on earth didn't you follow through with your main suspicions (each other) but instead went for your secondary suspicion (Huin)?

I mean, if I had conspiracy corner with Lommy, I would say wolf-Boro and wolf-Legate decided to go all loud wolf-on-wolf on Day2, knowing their mate Sally would be under fire for the Form kill, hoping to give the village something else to talk to. Hence Boro's disappointed-sounding note that no one but Hui was paying attention. As it came time for voting, they both conveniently decided to got for innocent Hui who had gotten entangled in their argument as the third wheel.

UGH. I wish that had clarified something. I feel like I've been stuck in square one the whole Day. It's getting late again, and I'm still unsure who the heckle are the wolves.

Just saying I'm gonna x with everyone.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Pitch

Wouldn't that be convenient, for once not to have to hide their werewolfing from each other?

Honestly, that should happen sometime - can you believe we've never actually been wolves together? (I also haven't been wolves with Nogrod, or Greenie. What's the statistic likelihood for all of that? I think the universe has something against giving me chances to plot IRL.)

Originally Posted by Morsul

Yes both voted Hui and I noted Lommy telling me to not bandwagon myself then voted the same person as me(Hui Day1)

What do you mean by me telling you not to bandwagon yourself? I don't remember saying anything like that.

Pffttt it's getting late and I should go to sleep.

I might quite literally have to leave village in your hands, guys. Give me a moment to debate with myself who to vote.

Pitch looks the worst in regards to Sally.

Boro seems pretty dodgy upon rereading Day2, like I daresay he looks (even) worse than Legate for his antics.

Legate might be the best compromise because I still think the likeliest packs are either Boro-Legate or Pitch-Legate. I mean statistically that's probably our best bet.

And I can't honestly judge Legate very well; I always suck at reading him, probably wilfully because (honesty hour?) I hate playing on a different side from him so I usually just go "well he doesn't look too suspicious so I'm just gonna assume he's innocent like me and ignore him" unless he does something blatantly wolfy. I'm however aware that at this point of the game the village can't afford such an attitude from me, so I'm wondering if I shouldn't just risk living with a very grumpy Legate toMorrow if he's innocent and play it safe and vote for him.


edit: xed with Pitch and Boro

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

What do you mean by me telling you not to bandwagon yourself? I don't remember saying anything like that.

As noted in post
50

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Morsul

As noted in post
50

I still don't understand; I thought that post of yours was a reference to my suspicion of you?

Originally Posted by Boro

It's not wrong to think my tricks are nefarious, I often can be. As I said, it's not the scheming that bothers me so much. It's the fact that you seem to be implying I'm up to no good with my behavior on Day 2, but decided instead to vote for Huey to "unravel the knot." So, what I'm saying is I'm not following, why did you think finding Huey's role would "unravel the knot" of what I was up to? Why wouldn't voting Legate or myself reveal the same thing?

You're making this all about you, when in truth it was about all the three of you. As I said before, I was suspicious of all the three of you, Huin and Legate more than you. I thought voting one of you would shed light on the others' roles. Well, I can say it didn't. But I could hardly have voted for all the three of you on the same Day, so I went for Huin whom I found the most suspicious of you three and who also had two votes at that point, while you and Legate had none.

Anyway, like I said, it's late

++Legate

Errrr.... I'm very sorry if you're innocent, in the worst case the game will end and we can discuss it tomorrow over breakfast.

To the rest of you, choose well. I don't mind if you choose Pitch or Boro instead. It was a threeway coin-toss for me, really. The deadline will tell which way this goes. Just please don't lynch me, because that would be a really stupid thing to do and secure a wolf victory.

I guess if the wolves win after toDay, I'm not gonna complain because I can't claim I know who they are. Well done, to whom it may concern.


edit: xed with Boro and I guess that can be an honest reasoning if you're innocent, but it doesn't really convince me you're not in cahoots with Legate. Anyway, good night and Night if there will be one!

[Morsul the Dark]

Morsul > Pitch
Lommy> Legate

[Soriman the Whide]

Boro's defence seems pretty strong, strong enough to avoid my vote although I as he admits himself there are holes.
I'm leaning towards Pitch based on the way sally and pitch worked together to sow confusion at the end of the last day.
It's also tempting to go with Thinlómien vote for Legate but he kinda crushed my accusation so I think i'm going to go with Pitch today.

Not sure what Morsul means in his last post.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Soriman the Whide

Boro's defence seems pretty strong, strong enough to avoid my vote although I as he admits himself there are holes.
I'm leaning towards Pitch based on the way sally and pitch worked together to sow confusion at the end of the last day.
It's also tempting to go with Thinlómien vote for Legate but he kinda crushed my accusation so I think i'm gonna go with Pitch today.

Not sure what Morsul means in his last post.

You mean my vote count? Or the post before that. The post before that was pointing Lommy did warn me against self bandwagonning.

As for your vote why do you feel Legate “crushed” your accusation? Before you vote.

[Morsul the Dark]

Don’t pull a Morsul and vote without thinking about it. If you believe Pitch vote that way but if you feel Legate make that case and vote that way.

[Soriman the Whide]

This post by Morsul;

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Sorimon last to vote.
Pitch 2
Legate 2
Lommy 1

Sorimon I hope you’re thinking over your vote. Hell you can vote me if that feels right. Just vote whoever feels best.

My last post before missing the deadline;

Originally Posted by Soriman the Whide

Boro's defence seems pretty strong, strong enough to avoid my vote although I as he admits himself there are holes.
I'm leaning towards Pitch based on the way sally and pitch worked together to sow confusion at the end of the last day.
It's also tempting to go with Thinlómien vote for Legate but he kinda crushed my accusation so I think i'm going to go with Pitch today.

[Soriman the Whide]

Sorry Morsul last time I had this feeling in my gut I should've stuck with it and voted legate. If i am right; well played, I never suspected a thing.


++Morsul

Edit: X-posted

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Lommy

You're making this all about you, when in truth it was about all the three of you. As I said before, I was suspicious of all the three of you, Huin and Legate more than you. I thought voting one of you would shed light on the others' roles. Well, I can say it didn't. But I could hardly have voted for all the three of you on the same Day, so I went for Huin whom I found the most suspicious of you three and who also had two votes at that point, while you and Legate had none.

Ok fair, I tend to do that and can see that being the case.

Originally Posted by Lommy

To the rest of you, choose well. I don't mind if you choose Pitch or Boro instead. It was a threeway coin-toss for me, really. The deadline will tell which way this goes. Just please don't lynch me, because that would be a really stupid thing to do and secure a wolf victory.

This is unexpected, as is your vote for Legate. I mean so it's a threeway coin-toss in your opinion, and that just looks like nonchallantly "I don't care who it is, just so it's not me." That is very much not something I expect from an innocent Lommy.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, this escalated quickly!

Trying to do the maths here... I think that this may basically force my hand, depending how many Wolves are still left to vote (and the Dead, though).

To be fair, I am not sure if I have the brain capacity to post anymore toDay. Well, I guess I just have to trust that the conclusions about Pitch being sally's packmate are correct.

++Pitch

Vote well, village.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by "FotR: The Breaking of the Fellowship"

Your own way you alone can choose.

Originally Posted by "FotR: A Journey in the Dark"

There were not only many roads to choose from, there were also in many places holes and pitfalls, and dark wells beside the path in which their passing feet echoed.

Originally Posted by "FotR: The Ring Goes South"

'Farewell!' he said to Gandalf. `I go to find the Sun!'

Ghost

[Pitchwife]

Now is this Wolflómien dissociating herself from Legwolf or what? But why wouldn't she just vote me and be done with it?


Ok, I forgot earlier that the Dead also vote, so the wolves can't just all pile on Morsul's early vote and win. The Dead obviously started the Day suspecting me heavily, and not being privy to their counsels I can't know whether that has changed in the least, I can only urge them, implore them to reconsider.

Originally Posted by The Mirror of Galadriel

But this I will say to you: your Quest stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little and it will fail, to the ruin of all.

To be honest, the only one whose innocence I'm sure of right now is myself, so if it comes to a clinch, I'll vote to save myself. As for the rest:
Morsul feels rash but fair to me (if you're a wolf, kudos!).

Lommy I get both foul and fair vibes from.

Boro - when others talk about him, I feel wary; when he talks himself, I want to trust him, but then we all know that my judgment so far hasn't been the best.
Legate - darned if I know. I could see him being a wolf with either Lommy or Boro. If I'm right about Morsul and Soriman is innocent as per the Dead he almost has to be, unless it's Lommy/Boro... DSLSKFHDKJGHAÖFHG

[Morsul the Dark]

Legate started the Greenie Wagon and secured the Huin wagon and what would they do day three? Not vote Sally? They certainly say a lot and guide our innocent Sorimon around by his own admission. I think they’re? a decent alternative to Pitch if it comes to it.

[Pitchwife]

++Legate

[Pitchwife]

For the record, I was about to vote Lommy when Legate voted, but by the Rule of First I couldn't take the chance.

[Morsul the Dark]

Sorimon and Boro left to vote.

Pitch And Legate both at two

Vote well. I don’t think I did.

Also just. If we do get the wolf can y’all night kill me so I don’t have to ruin the game Thursday

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Boro and Legate: would you care, once again, to clearly state why on earth didn't you follow through with your main suspicions (each other) but instead went for your secondary suspicion (Huin)?

Post #195 has my reasoning:

Originally Posted by me

Well, if you believe it when I say it, it wasn't conciliation. As I said I still find those your points suspicious, but your responses back gave me a bit of pause. Huey jumped ahead of you the way he hyper zoned in on me after I was focusing in on you.

I don't like the misrepresentation that I ignored his accusation, especially since it ignored my point that I wasn't interested in distractions: See this post

I was responding to Legateto which I was pointing out I wasn't conceding that I thought Legate was guilty, but Huey jumped ahead in my mind, because I thought he was misrepresenting my reasons and said I "ignored" one of his accusations. Which I think is referring to this post:

Um... what information?! They're a pair of ordos! The only information they could have is 1) their own beliefs and 2) some arbitrary piece of data from the Mods, selected from a list we've never seen; it would be literally impossible for us to gain information on that from a single vote. The fact that apparently you looked at that and went 'hmm, I bet people are going to try and construct a scheme to utilise this valuable resource' is just... like, did you forget that you didn't manage to kill the Seer, Borowolf?

The smiley to me made it look like it wasn't that serious of a question/accusation, but when he returned to it as a way to find me suspicious and painted my answer as "I'm purposefully ignoring Huey's accusation" that's what set my red flags off.