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04-25-2021, 02:04 PM | #321 |
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Morsul: Day 1: Post 14 states Hui is least suspicious. Many, myself included, found that a strong statement so early on. Post 19 this immediately switched as Morsul then thought Hui was focusing too much on their posts and that it would be a wolf pushing toward a bandwagon. I questioned the switch, more because saying Hui was least suspicious seemed odder to me than then moving to finding them suspicious later. Just seemed a very strong statement so early on. Morsul clearly feels attacked and in post 43 says they'll probably vote Hui, I guess out of self-preservation. In post 55 also mentions Boro as a suspect for seeming convinced of Morsul's innocence. Bearing in mind this was all long after I'd voted, when I read through all this with the benefit of hindsight there is definitely a feel of annoyed innocent. Voted Hui for seeming to bandwagon while saying they didn't want to. Day 2: Morsul is one of the first posters of the Day and immediately looks at Form. Concludes that the Night kill likely either makes sally a wolf, or it's a frame job. Found Lottie's vote for Greenie suspicious because it meant she'd voted against her previous suspicions. Not quite sure who is being referred to here: Quote:
Voted sally (first vote, so could be considered safe if wolf on wolf as it's the first one with no guarantee anyone would follow, and a lot of people talking about Lottie instead) Day 3: The 'plans' in Morsul's first post are the kind of thing that work in theory, but in practice? No. However, their point about an innocent voting the wrong person and the wolves jumping on it was a fair one. I understand the concern about throwing an early vote out, but Morsul votes sally not very long after this, and so far ... no jumping. Post 251 in conjunction with Boro uses Form's quotes to get to a suspect list of Morsul, sally, Pitch. However, in post 289 is then looking at a wolfpack of sally, Sori, Kath. Why the switch there Morsul, as I thought you'd agreed with Boro? Voted sally.
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04-25-2021, 02:08 PM | #323 |
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Guys don't waste your vote on me I'm harmless I swear, yes perhaps my arguments are backwards and minimalistic but honestly I couldn't eat someone!
I was guided to vote lottie when my gut feeling was Huin, snippets of Legate's posts (I remember #168 standing out) influenced this and because of this I am wary of him. I'm not going to vote for Sally today after being so wrong about Huin and Lottie.
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04-25-2021, 02:11 PM | #325 |
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Assuming she's not planning to self-vote, then sally is going completely off-piste from the message we think we've got from GhostForm. sally, can you explain what you think he meant by the quotes instead then?
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04-25-2021, 02:14 PM | #327 | |
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I suppose it's just that we've no guarantee there is only one wolf in Morsul/sally/Pitch that had thrown me there. Given Sori's strange posts it would be tempting to say wolf!
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04-25-2021, 02:22 PM | #328 |
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Fair point.
Then again, if sally's #316 and #318 are a last ditch attempt by satansawerewolf to sway toDay's voting, who are her packmates? I know I'm not a wolf, I'm leaning Boro isn't either, I don't know about Morsul but he has been gunning for her two Days straight. What does she have to gain from keeping us around? Boro and I understand, if she figures we're more likely to trust her, but Morsul? More importantly, why would she want us to vote any of Kath, Legate, Lommy or Sori? If Boro and Morsul aren't her packmates, they must be among these four, so why put them up for voting?
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04-25-2021, 02:25 PM | #329 | |
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Also Sally the dead do get information it’s just as i understand the rules cryptic to them and then filtered through quotes to us. Like a weird game of telephone interpretation of an interpretation of an interpretation of a riddle. But certainly not nothing.
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04-25-2021, 02:31 PM | #331 |
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In light of recent posts, yet another rules reminder. The Dead HAVE gotten Infodrops on both N2 and N3. This info was not concrete information as could befit a seer. It is not truly cryptic in the sense that you have to figure out a riddle, more just vague. Information that may limit your range of possibilities in certain scenarios but does not point to any one specific scenario being true.
Does that make sense? In 5 words: the Dead have vague facts.
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04-25-2021, 02:32 PM | #332 |
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Okay, I stand partially corrected. They have info, but they could still be wrong.
Or I could be wrong, and Pitch or Morsul could be a wolf. That's equally possible, though I've seen nothing from Pitch I would find suspicious.
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04-25-2021, 02:35 PM | #333 |
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Legate didn’t vote Lottie though. Also you voted in 167.
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04-25-2021, 02:43 PM | #336 | |
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The first half is not correct(as I understand) They don’t have a bandwagon ready in the sense they have a name (if that’s what you mean) but that they’re waiting for someone to vote the wrong way and jump on it. Whether or not they discussed this I couldn’t say but I think it’s a fairly obvious strategy.
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04-25-2021, 02:45 PM | #337 |
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So I take this as a confirmation of the confirmation of what was said. Okay, good to have this out of the way.
EDIT: x-ed with Morsul
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04-25-2021, 02:47 PM | #338 |
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I think FormerForm(seriously guys it’s right there GhostForm is ok but FormerForm is just chef’s kiss.) i think it’s been confirmed we’re on the right track.
Xed with Legate PS #FormerFormForFormalFormedFormations
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04-25-2021, 02:51 PM | #339 | |
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Yes Legate didn't vote lottie and appologies I had rememebered reading and agreeing with the points in #168 but yes you are right i'd alread locked in my vote in post #167, Legate casts suspicion on Lottie as early as #124 and just because they voted Huin doesn't mean they didn't plant seeds to get Lottie some votes. My more suspicious behaviour can be explained away as me having some fun but let me make it clear If I am lynched tonight then the wolves win! I don't want to vote sally after Lottie and Huin were found innocent. If you wish I am happy to self vote as a way to prove (kind of) my innocence but I'd prefer not to.
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04-25-2021, 02:56 PM | #340 |
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For Angband's sake if you're innocent and you self-vote you give the wolves a vote to pile on whydoIhavetoexplainthishaventwetalkedaboutitbefore and at the moment you're making it way too easy!
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And can I just say for starters the ghost is so much fun?
So, Form confirmed Boro's interpretation of his message was correct over Pitch's? Interesting. I still don't follow Form's #276, I'm afraid. (Have I mentioned I've always sucked in riddles? Not ideal for a game like this.) Anyway, it's something to remember that Boro favours a theory that implicates Pitch/Sally/Morsul, while Pitch favours a theory that implicates Boro / Kath / Legate / Lommy / Sori. This could come in handy if we survive toDay, because it tells what direction each of them is willing to take the lynch toDay. Soriman is again making me go ?????? Quote:
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And I think you are misrepresenting me a little. I didn't decide Hui was innocent based on Form's death, just that Form's death made him look better, moving him from "suspicious" to "unsure" in my mind. (And yeah I still voted for him because I was too tempted to resolve the Gordian knot of him and Boro and Legate - which sadly doesn't seem to have been resolved by Huin's death at all, in hindsight - since nobody else seemed very eager to vote those I suspected (even) more than Huin, namely you and Pitchwife.) Speaking of this Form-Huin thing: Quote:
I have no idea what to think about Kath saying that suggesting her and Morsul are packmates is a "fair point". Really? Side note: speaking of voting - let's not forget the dead can break a tie. While they don't know any better than us, we can at least trust them to have good intentions. Quote:
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Do you guys know what would be the funniest thing ever? If the pack was Sally AND Morsul AND Pitch. Frankly, it looks fairly possible. This post of Sally's certainly made me think there could be a Sally-Morsul connection at least. edit: xed with everyone after Legate's longer post
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Don't vote me either, because same result, but never, ever self-vote at such a crucial time. x'd with Lommy
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04-25-2021, 03:00 PM | #343 |
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Soriman, if you're innocent, you should not self-vote.
If you're a wolf, however, it sounds like a great strategy. edit: xed with Sally
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04-25-2021, 03:02 PM | #344 | |
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Sorry; Noted.
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04-25-2021, 03:16 PM | #347 |
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Yes they can. The Ghost cannot vote, because during the haunting he doesn't truly belong in either thread, so to speak. The rest of the Dead carry on as they do.
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04-25-2021, 03:17 PM | #348 |
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That’s something I did in my first game as a werewolf. Didn’t help my suspicion of you.
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Actually I think the time for vague hints has passed - if I've seen it, I'm sure the wolves have. So if you're hinting what I think you are, spill!
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Also it's past midnight, I have work fairly early tomorrow, and I should really vote and go to sleep, but I hate making big decisions. I find all of Morsul, Pitch and Sally suspicious to some degree, and Lottie suspected them all too. If I was the ghost, I'd use a certain dialogue between Gandalf and Frodo and comforting thoughts here. As much as I'd like them all to be wolves, I don't think that's the case. Since her anything but reassuring appearance toDay, I think lynching Sally might be our best bet toDay. Both Form and Lottie's deaths could point to her, too. I don't think we're gonna get a much better case. But. If I vote her and she's innocent, it's game over for us. To be entirely honest, I don't really want that kind of responsibility. edit: xed with Pitch
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04-25-2021, 03:28 PM | #351 |
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Seriously, Pitch and Sally? Seriously? At my bedtime???
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04-25-2021, 03:30 PM | #352 |
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Mine too, if that's any consolation.
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04-25-2021, 03:32 PM | #353 |
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Sally?
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04-25-2021, 03:36 PM | #354 |
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I mean, you're literally asking for it, so yes, fine, I'm the seer. Of all games to be busy at the wrong times.
Boro and Morsul are innocent. Sadly that's all I know of use right now. Night one: Boro (because my prince!) Night two: Morsul Night three: Lottie (again, sorry!) Like I said, the dead are fallible.
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04-25-2021, 03:37 PM | #355 |
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Oh. My. God.
Okay I am not voting until I have processed data. Sorry, a more coherent post coming up soon.
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04-25-2021, 03:38 PM | #356 |
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What in the name of all.
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04-25-2021, 03:39 PM | #357 |
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And here I was just trying to use reason to figure out some Wolfproof way to vote.
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04-25-2021, 03:41 PM | #358 |
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This ridiculous by play between sally and Pitch is making me think there is more than one wolf in that little gang, because if sally is the Seer I'll eat my hat.
Form's death and Lottie's death point to her, GhostForm was happy with Morsul's vote and we know the Dead Thread have some additional information even if it isn't totally concrete. So I'll put my money where my mouth is and hope no one is misled by what is looking like one orchestrated as heck charade between sally and Pitch. ++sally
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04-25-2021, 03:42 PM | #359 |
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Kath if you really are an innocent who thinks Sally and Pitch are having a charade, why don't you vote Pitch who certainly isn't the seer??????
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What the fork, Kath?!
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