TIG CXVII: DEAD Thread: By the Waters of Tarn Aeluin

[A Little Green]

Welcome Form! A questionable honour, but still.

Originally Posted by Form

I am inclined to assume I was killed because I left no trail rather than because I looked like a Seer...

Or did I look like a Seer?

I didn't think so. Someone (Lottie? I'm too lazy to check) did point out that your vote was very explicitly not based on the suspiciousness of a particular person but made purely based on post count, which could potentially be read as a Seer not wanting to leave a false trail. Alternatively, if Sally is a wolf, it could have been read as the only plausible way in which you could have justified a vote for her after dreaming her on Night 1, given that she hardly posted. I'm not sure how plausible either of these scenarios are, though.

The other potentially interesting thing to look at is the snippet of information we were given at the end of yesterDay: that at least one wolf received votes yesterDay. Given that I'm officially not a wolf, that leaves one or more wolves among Morsul, Pitch, Huin, Sally and Lottie. It's not a massive revelation given that that's literally half the village, but unless something really dramatic happens toDay, I'd suggest we pick our vote from among those five.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by G55

Greenie and Form, you may cast a collective vote that will contribute to the GT. This vote is due at the regular DL. In the event that it causes a tie, it will also break it in favour of your candidate. Since there are only two of you, the first person to get a vote here will receive the Dead vote on the GT, which will be tallied at DL regardless of when you vote.

Since there's only two of us and the first vote carries in case of a tie, I think we should try to agree on who to vote for - especially as I won't be around until DL so, if left to my own devices, would need to vote early and thus my less-informed vote would count over yours. Conversely, if you're around at DL (or at least sometime later than me), we could agree on a preliminary candidate or two before I go, but I wouldn't actually vote for them. This would leave you free to change it at your discretion if something major happens after I'm gone, or just to react better to how the Living are voting. Would this make sense?

[A Little Green]

I know I said we should vote for one of the five among whom there's definitely at least one wolf, and I still think so, but I'm also getting more curious about Legate. His vote analysis is very convenient - basically saying that the second vote for each of the leading candidates is suspicious but the first isn't (when he was the first to vote for me, which he of course doesn't mention). This bit is also weird -

Originally Posted by Legate

Interestingly enough, purely based on vibe when looking at the list of votes, Pitch's vote strikes me as rather sinister because he had his opinions, then voted for Hui. And that was at the point when Greenie was leading, and Soriman was left to vote (with it not being sure whether he will). So Pitch's vote was potentially throwaway (if e.g. again the scenario that Hui was a Wolf was true - he would no longer endanger a packmate and at the same time distance himself from him) and at the same time not getting his "hands dirty" in lynching an innocent.

He says Pitch's vote is "sinister" and "potentially throwaway" when he voted to draw Huin with myself. I hope someone questions him on this because by this logic, the only vote that wouldn't have been a sinister throwaway would have been a fourth vote for innocent me. ???

[Formendacil]

I'm around, but on my phone at work, so this is liable to be short than the Form Norm.

I agree with "see how it plays out and have me register an actual vote late-ish."

Of the people who received votes yesterday, I am (given how things ended for me) most suspicious of Sally, but that's more likely revenge than analysis talking.

By the by, G55: it's a moot point since we're probably waiting till nigh the deadline, but HOW will our vote register? I.e. will it only appear in the Day-end narration or will our ghostly avatar speak like a voice from the grave as soon as we have a settled vote here? I assume the former--i.e., we can't influence the game by appearing early and firmly (again, not relevant now, but might be on a future Day).

If this is in the Rules, I fear I have outed myself as a villainous skimmer.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

By the by, G55: it's a moot point since we're probably waiting till nigh the deadline, but HOW will our vote register? I.e. will it only appear in the Day-end narration or will our ghostly avatar speak like a voice from the grave as soon as we have a settled vote here? I assume the former--i.e., we can't influence the game by appearing early and firmly (again, not relevant now, but might be on a future Day).

The Dead vote will appear at the end of the Day at DL, either right before or even together with the narration. Basically, it will appear as the very last vote of the Day.

[Formendacil]

Thanks, G55!



On topic, I kind of like the Morsul theory:

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

So this is flimsy but I’ll toss it out there Lottie gave me a hard time for not having reads on two people but in Post 123 gave Sally a pass for the like four people she had no read on in her list.

This with her saving Hui

My very flimsy theory entirely contingent on WolfLottie is Sally Lottie Huin pack

Xed Sallyx2

I can't decide if Lottie was suspicious yesterDay or not, but I really did feel like she'd whiplashed over my preference for ferretting out the quiet ones, and--granting I haven't played with her a lot--she does seem a bit off from the one game I do remember, when she proved innocent. And this theory would jive with my Sally suspicions. Not as sure about Hui, but his playing style is "naturally suspicious"," so it's not impossible he's wolven and as the other bandwaggon, it makes some sense that if there was a concerted effort kill you (Greenie) INSTEAD of one of their own, then Hui is the obvious candidate.

[Formendacil]

Slotting this theory into the vote-list, it could fit:

Kath --> Morsul
Greenie --> Pitch
Morsul --> Hui
Lommy --> Hui
Legate --> Greenie
Hui --> Greenie
Form --> sally
Boro --> Lottie
Lottie --> Greenie
sally --> no one
Pitch --> Hui

Soriman missed the voting

Hui was the first waggon (i.e. the first lynchee to two votes--and first-to-two as Hui wanted to know [a coded message to packmates?] is almost more like 2.5 votes). The very first vote thereafter is Legate for Greenie and given how the day went, it was easy for Hui to latch on: Greenie is not a member of this possible pack and it doesn't lead back to the pack.

Then I vote and so does Boro and we each vote someone new--which, yes, doesn't make us look great, but it's also totally early enough that someone else could have hopped aboard either Sally or Lottie and made it a three-way tie with Hui losing the draw. Lottie votes to save the pack--i.e. Hui and it's a done deal. Sally leaves no trail and endangers no one.

So... the theory has nothing in the voting record to contradict it. It could explain going after me. Even a clue might be an in-joke for a our mods--maybe all three wolves got a vote!

On the other hand...