TIG CXVII: GAME Thread:

[Huinesoron]

Boro has posed another question of the 'you say this is bad/strange, but what if actually it's not?' structure, so I'm happy to put his original version re: debates down to playstyle. Not high on my suspects list at this point.

I'm sensing a bit of a Morsul focus forming... Lommy highlighting it as one of the few suspicious things, Kath echoing this and adding a vote, Lottie spending most of her last two posts on it. Not a wagon per se, but a wolf in there could be pushing for one.

But then again, each time Morsul posts I'm split between thinking 'wounded innocent' and 'cornered wolf'. Mostly they sound very genuinely fed up at being unfairly suspected, but then we get:

Originally Posted by Morsul

I don’t even understand how I was supposed to act to avoid being thrown under the bus.

Like... if you're innocent, I don't think you go around implying you're putting on an act (or that you think you should have, which is another possible reading). The "next time I'll lie" post from earlier shows the same not-very-innocent-seeming thought process.

Of the other people now around, I think Pitch looks innocent and sensible, but I'm pretty sure I always do and occasionally get bitten for it. Kath's comments also look like genuine innocent musings - her note on Greenie's comments on Legate, for instance.

Below that, nothing concrete: Lottie feels fine, Lommy is giving me undefined uneasiness, and it's nice to see Soriman but there's not much to say about them.

I also haven't gotten over my suspicion of Greenie's tagging onto suspicions (I know someone else commented on this but can't find who), but without any more appearances I can't really add to that.

hS

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

[b]

But then again, each time Morsul posts I'm split between thinking 'wounded innocent' and 'cornered wolf'. Mostly they sound very genuinely fed up at being unfairly suspected, but then we get:
[Morsul asking how to act]

Like... if you're innocent, I don't think you go around implying you're putting on an act (or that you think you should have, which is another possible reading). The "next time I'll lie" post from earlier shows the same not-very-innocent-seeming thought process.
hS

++Huin

This just feels like pushing a bandwagon while pretending to not wanting it.

My quote conveniently out of context was basically saying I said an answer and you saying I didn’t use the right words. All of which weren’t the actual answer. Hence the lying quote. My posts were what I thought and said because they were true. Could I have worded them differently? Perhaps but I certainly wouldn’t lie.

[Formendacil]

This will be a terrible post in hindsight if [b]Hui[b] turns out to be a Wolf, but purely on the basis of Day 1, I am against lynching him toDay--that is EXACTLY what we did last game and we are going down that same garden path and it was a horrifically stupid loss for the Village, and for exactly the same reasons.

...which is me breaking protocol and referencing past games, I guess, but even insofar as Hui is the anti-me (i.e. trying way to hard to analyze Day 1 during Day 1), I think lynching him for that on Day 1 would be as bad as lynching me.

(I realise I've offered no alternative, but "the most lurky" seems as fair a way to do it as any. Actually... can I propose a rule for future games? No? Okay, but let me put a pin in this for post-games. I have a rule-change proposal. )

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

(I realise I've offered no alternative, but "the most lurky" seems as fair a way to do it as any. Actually... can I propose a rule for future games? No? Okay, but let me put a pin in this for post-games. I have a rule-change proposal. )

I would agree with this, but we don't have anyone who could qualify as a 'lurker' who I would be willing to vote. It's Soriman's first game, so it's expected that he'll be posting less often as he gets the hang of the game, Sally is usually quieter, especially on Day 1, I've really appreciated Kath's posts when she was here, and I think I'm next up for quantity of posts...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I think I will just go with my top suspect. I am sure there is still a lot that may happen before DL, but I have to go to sleep. I would be okay with Hui as well, but I still think Greenie has been acting in a more definedly suspicious manner.

++Greenie

Good Night, village, and may we sleep safely.

EDIT: x-ed with Hui

[Formendacil]

Lottie's response to me first talking about "voting the lurkers."

Originally Posted by Loslote

I would agree with this, but we don't have anyone who could qualify as a 'lurker' who I would be willing to vote. It's Soriman's first game, so it's expected that he'll be posting less often as he gets the hang of the game, Sally is usually quieter, especially on Day 1, I've really appreciated Kath's posts when she was here, and I think I'm next up for quantity of posts...

Lottie when I actually post about it:

Originally Posted by Loslote

I mean, I don't love this - it feels like an abdication of responsibility for your vote, which is a way for a wolf to not leave a trail - but a note for the future: IF Form or Huin or, I'd say, Greenie turn out to be a wolf, Form seems to be gearing up to throw his vote in a completely different direction, which a) doesn't save the people on the chopping block and b) doesn't leave a trail connecting Form to either of them. That probably suggests Form isn't a packmate with either of them. Again, just a note for the future.

I mean, absolutely, yes, if this is me saving a wolf or making myself innocuous, then this will look bad later. By the same token, if Sally is a Wolf, then the first quote looks like subtly nudging away from a packmate and Post 2 looks like setting me up for future scapegoating if/when it turns out Huin or Greenie is a lynched innocent.

All of which is to say... Wild Mass Guessing. Lottie's probably innocent, except for the fact that she accused me, and that raises my suspicions.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Lottie's response to me first talking about "voting the lurkers."

Lottie when I actually post about it:

I liked the idea in theory, but when I looked at what it would actually mean in this game, I didn't like what it would actually look like. But fair point.

Originally Posted by Formendacil

I mean, absolutely, yes, if this is me saving a wolf or making myself innocuous, then this will look bad later. By the same token, if Sally is a Wolf, then the first quote looks like subtly nudging away from a packmate and Post 2 looks like setting me up for future scapegoating if/when it turns out Huin or Greenie is a lynched innocent.

All of which is to say... Wild Mass Guessing. Lottie's probably innocent, except for the fact that she accused me, and that raises my suspicions.

Excellent point - if Sally or Form end up being wolves, they are also unlikely packmates. Also, I wouldn't say that I'm accusing you. I would put you just to the inno-leaning side of neutral at this point, in terms of overall impression. I saw the appeal of voting "lurkers" initially, I just found I didn't like it in practice once I'd had time to think about it and see what it meant in reality.

[Soriman the Whide]

I know there is a deadline but if I am not prompted to vote as per the rules I read somewhere can i abstain from voting? I'd hate to see an innocent villager lynched on account of our misguided voting, who is to say that these creatures will even strike again anyway?

[Huinesoron]

Looking at the last few posts, the Lottie-Pitch and Lottie-Form interaction feels pretty innocent, and while I don't like Form's vote the absentee' plan, it has the virtue of consistency.

Since I think my two suspects (Morsul and Greenie) have both checked out for the night, and since the people still posting all feel innocent, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and vote:

++A LITTLE GREEN

Reasons include their vote being based on Pitch suspecting someone who suspected him; a certain amount of 'buddying-up' behaviour; and their comment about maybe not being here tomorrow when they weren't really under much suspicion, which feels like a guilty conscience.

hS

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Reasons include their vote being based on Pitch suspecting someone who suspected him; a certain amount of 'buddying-up' behaviour; and their comment about maybe not being here tomorrow when they weren't really under much suspicion, which feels like a guilty conscience.

hS

TBF an innocent Greenie would have no way of knowing whether I wouldn't feel provoked into eating her toNight... and neither would an innocent Hui. Hasn't that occurred to you?

[Thinlómien]

++Huinesoron

I don't think anything would make me kick myself more than if I caught a wolfy vibe from him TWICE and let him off the hook because "maybe it's just his playing style" TWICE and he was a wolf BOTH TIMES.


edit: xed with everyone

[Thinlómien]

Maybe it's just because I suspect them both, but Lottie's sudden defense of Huin rubs me the wrong way. Especially since she's talking about him being the same as in "previous games" like it was a point in his favour, while we have talked in length about Huin recently having been a wolf. That argument just doesn't add up.


edit: xed with both again

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Maybe it's just because I suspect them both, but Lottie's sudden defense of Huin rubs me the wrong way. Especially since she's talking about him being the same as in "previous games" like it was a point in his favour, while we have talked in length about Huin recently having been a wolf. That argument just doesn't add up.

My memory may be imperfect, but what I remember from playing with Huinwolf was feeling like we were on the same page, he's contributing great stuff, top of my innocent list, and then Legate caught something - a vibe or what, I don't remember - and we voted him out over a very short period of time. I am not getting that same vibe this game. Again, memory may be faulty - it's been a while - but toDay he feels more like the innocent Huin that I've played with before, who is always the first person stirring the pot and poking and prodding people. I'm not saying I trust him fully, just that I don't suspect him, and I think the people who are pushing that suspicion are pulling it a bit out of thin air. It's Day 1 - that's understandable - but you're acting like it's blatantly obvious that he's a wolf and it's bizarre that I'm not on board with that suspicion, when really, there's nothing more to this suspicion than there is to any other suspicion based on zero information. It's really easy to suspect Huin, and I don't know why you're so convinced of his wolfyness based on, from my perspective, not a ton to back it up.

[Blind Guardian]

Approximately 1 hour left. Here's the current vote tally, assuming I'm not x-posting with anyone.

Kath -> Morsul
Greenie -> Pitchwife
Morsul -> Huinesoron
Lommy -> Huinesoron
Legate -> Greenie

[Pitchwife]

Maybe a definitive statement about the breaking of ties, your Moddesses? (since Hui asked on the Admin thread and wasn't answered) First/Last/My Everything?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, seems like things are heating up, but I realise that I should vote soon (or rather, very soon) too, because I am certainly not staying up for DL, so...

I would personally prefer to vote for Greenie, even though it does not seem like much of a thing; but then again, majority of people have not voted yet.

A moment to think.

EDIT: whoa, x-ed with several

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I would personally prefer to vote for Greenie, even though it does not seem like much of a thing; but then again, majority of people have not voted yet.

I think I remember voting an innocent Morsul who felt a lot like this one out in my first game, so I would prefer Greenie at the moment, barring possible ties.

hS

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I think I remember voting an innocent Morsul who felt a lot like this one out in my first game, so I would prefer Greenie at the moment, barring possible ties.
hS

What I was saying above.


I thought earlier that Greenie might fit the job description for the X wolf steering clear of the Hui/Morsul business, but I don't really see anything screaming wolf in her (yet). I might go for Lottie or Kath.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I thought earlier that Greenie might fit the job description for the X wolf steering clear of the Hui/Morsul business, but I don't really see anything screaming wolf in her (yet). I might go for Lottie or Kath.

Really? I get why someone might vote for me, there's been some suspicion flying around, but it seems frankly bizarre to me that you're considering voting for Kath just because she suspected Morsul. I understand you have your Lottie, Kath, and X theory, but that's really not very substantial and a bit convoluted - and frankly, if Kath and I were packmates, we probably wouldn't both spend so much time suspecting the same person - and there has been a lot more going on in the thread since then. I'm surprised that's still your best bet in terms of who to vote.