Is there a character you're obsessed with?

[Urwen]

This is not about that. It's about characters we're obsessed with. Simply state who it is and why.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by mindil

Does that explain why Elladan and Elrohir stayed single? They couldn't find higher status elves to marry? (I know the "time of strife" theory, but there were long peaceful times in the 3rd Age.) Same question about Legolas, though for all we know he might have been married, and Gimli too (ducking tomatoes from fangirls).

Well, unlike Men, Elves also wouldn't be in any particular hurry to look for the right someone, and they don't settle for an imperfect fit. Maybe they just didn't meet their better halves yet. Who knows, maybe a couple millenia later, in Valinor, they will get married too.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Well, unlike Men, Elves also wouldn't be in any particular hurry to look for the right someone, and they don't settle for an imperfect fit. Maybe they just didn't meet their better halves yet. Who knows, maybe a couple millenia later, in Valinor, they will get married too.

Maybe they delay their departure, not because of concern for Arwen or out of any doubt about which kindred they will choose, but because Celebrían's last words before sailing west were that "I'll be waiting with some nice girls to settle down with."

[Urwen]

I said stop, and I mean it. If you don't stay on topic, I am going to mods. Off-topicness is considered a non-no here, after all.

And if you really must talk about off-topic posts, then include me as well. Please?

Like, I am trying my hardest to talk to you to be a part of the discussion, and I don't like how you are making it difficult for me to interact with any of you.

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

I said stop, and I mean it. If you don't stay on topic, I am going to mods. Off-topicness is considered a non-no here, after all.

And if you really must talk about off-topic posts, then include me as well. Please?

Like, I am trying my hardest to talk to you to be a part of the discussion, and I don't like how you are making it difficult for me to interact with any of you.

Discussions on the forum have for years been organic and free-flowing. Within specific threads there is an ebb and flow, and there are relatively few that stay rigidly on-topic without side discussions. If anyone is interested in the original topic, I am sure they will post in that regard.

Personally, I am not obsessed with any character. After a brief perusal of the thread, it would seem the majority view is that they are not obsessed, and after the poster says, "No, I am not obsessed," there is nothing further to discuss. Evidently, no one is obsessed with a character like you are. And you've brought it up in countless posts. Over and over.

So, I suppose you can contact the mods. Have them lock the thread, if you wish.

[mindil]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Off-topicness is considered a non-no here, after all.

I'm sorry. I'm sure I saw many threads that had lots of side topics. But I'm really aiming for your topic - unless by "obsessed" you meant "have a crush on." The character I've given the most thought to is indeed Legolas's mother. I don't think about her week-in, week-out, but when I think of Legendarium characters, I think of her and feel sorry for the bad reputation she's gotten from fanon.

Originally Posted by Urwen

And if you really must talk about off-topic posts, then include me as well. Please?

Like, I am trying my hardest to talk to you to be a part of the discussion, and I don't like how you are making it difficult for me to interact with any of you.

I certainly didn't think I was shutting you or anyone out. You wanted to know who I thought about most, and I told you, and I'm happy to discuss that with you. Who do you think about most? Morthoron says you've mentioned him/her extensively, but I haven't hung out at the Downs much till recently, so I don't know.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

All Tolkien's known couples have the wife upstatus whenever possible

Not necessarily: Denethor, Theoden, Faramir all married at best on the level and probably slightly downhill. Elrond? Judgment call: a half-Elf marring a full Elf, but on the other hand Elrond is the great-great-grandson of a Maia. The "superior wife" business seems to have been an especial First Age thing, and I suspect that to a certain extent, given how early those stories were their essentials, that they reflect the traditional "hero gets the princess" trope, although in the event Tolkien would much broaden and deepen the implications of these interspecies marriages (which only ever were permitted as "matters of high doom")

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by mindil

I'm sorry. I'm sure I saw many threads that had lots of side topics. But I'm really aiming for your topic - unless by "obsessed" you meant "have a crush on." The character I've given the most thought to is indeed Legolas's mother. I don't think about her week-in, week-out, but when I think of Legendarium characters, I think of her and feel sorry for the bad reputation she's gotten from fanon.



I certainly didn't think I was shutting you or anyone out. You wanted to know who I thought about most, and I told you, and I'm happy to discuss that with you. Who do you think about most? Morthoron says you've mentioned him/her extensively, but I haven't hung out at the Downs much till recently, so I don't know.

Well, how would you feel if two people you know only talk to each and ignore you completely? This is the same thing. You are exclusively talking to each other and ignoring anything I have to say. Case in point: Huey totally ignored all my posts about Nellas and focused only on your latest post about her. Same with other.

If you want to talk about her, don't ignore everything I have to say about her. Because it seems to me like you lot only quote certain people and ignore everyone else.

/rant over

[mindil]

I was totally replying to you. We were discussing the likelihood of Nellas being attracted to Turin. You said yes and gave a reason. I wrote why I thought that excerpt meant something else.

We all agreed with you that Melleth was a non-starter for Thranduil or Oropher.

Later Nellas was resuggested as a Queen of Mirkwood and you looked sad. We're all ready to keep discussing it back and forth, with you.

I really like the idea because it explains why Bilbo never saw her and why the palace was run as if there wasn't a woman in the house [a suitable 1930s concept]. It gives Legolas a classy mother with a fascinating history. It creates potential stories about personality clashes or meshes between Thr and Nel.

I'm happy to discuss it with YOU or anyone else, and I'm happy to get your better opinion of who Mrs. Thr. was.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, how would you feel if two people you know only talk to each and ignore you completely? This is the same thing. You are exclusively talking to each other and ignoring anything I have to say. Case in point: Huey totally ignored all my posts about Nellas and focused only on your latest post about her. Same with other.

If you want to talk about her, don't ignore everything I have to say about her. Because it seems to me like you lot only quote certain people and ignore everyone else.

/rant over

I don't have a "dog in the fight", but you can't expect a response to everything you post.

I couldn't say how many times over the years I've commented on something and no one seemed to have noticed.

Then again, that could be more a reflection of my less-than-scintillating personality.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Case in point: Huey totally ignored all my posts about Nellas and focused only on your latest post about her. Same with other.

I would appreciate if you could reread the thread and retract this. My four posts on this thread have been replies to: mindil (starting the Nellas discussion), you ('Meleth loves Morleg'), you ('Nellas still loves Turin'), and WCH ('Nellas is probably dead'). I haven't actually replied to anything mindil said about Nellas, and the only posts of yours on the subject that I haven't replied to were your clarification of whose big brother you meant, and a quote showing that Nellas may have loved Turin (which I already agreed with in the third reply above).

I don’t really mind people mixing me up with other Downers, but when I get cast as the Case In Point Villain as a result, it's kind of upsetting.

To address the original question: mindil says she's obsessed with the missing women of Tolkien? I'm generally 'obsessed' with the women who are there but relatively undeveloped. Tolkien did a lot of sketching-in his woman characters, so we get fascinating glimpses of Haleth and her Amazons, Emeldir 'the Man-Hearted', and indeed Nellas the slightly-crazy Sinda. I love playing around to see what other information I can tease out about them.

(Incidentally, Urwen, I can't remember whether I ever mentioned my fanfic where Lady Haleth briefly gets lost in Nan Elmoth, but I have one.)

hS

[mindil]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Well, unlike Men, Elves also wouldn't be in any particular hurry to look for the right someone, and they don't settle for an imperfect fit. Maybe they just didn't meet their better halves yet. Who knows, maybe a couple millenia later, in Valinor, they will get married too.

Considering that elves don't play around, and they think highly of "personal relations," it's no surprise that JRRT said they tried to marry young. Elladan's and Elrohir's multi-millennial bachelor lifestyle is very odd, by ME standards.

Maybe their constant chasing orcs is because they are frustrated for not having a married life?

Apologies, Urwen - this is part of my obsessing about all the missing female characters. I'm sure many of them were really there, and I'd love to know more about them. I wouldn't be surprised if Gimli was married, for example. Would be nice to know about her, too.