Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Game Thread

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

You should all have listened to Shasta.

Or Brinn, for that matter. Her boss lady analyses yesterDay were pretty spot on.

[Pitchwife]

Let me guess, Lommy, are you the Ranger?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Let me guess, Lommy, are you the Ranger?

Yes please, tell us who you are, ranger. Speaking for myself, I have no idea who you might be....

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Let me guess, Lommy, are you the Ranger?

HOW

WOULD

YOU

KNOW

THAT

I was consoling myself with at least the thought that you guys must have had no idea because I looked like the dumbest ordo to ever ordo, or possibly the cobbler.

But yes I am. Don't ask who I protected last Night because it doesn't make me look any smarter

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I was consoling myself with at least the thought that you guys must have had no idea because I looked like the dumbest ordo to ever ordo, or possibly the cobbler.

But yes I am. Don't ask who I protected last Night because it doesn't make me look any smarter

Oooo, was it meeeeeeeeeeeee?

[Huinesoron]

Edit: For posterity, the Dead Thread

Hello, Living. Well done, Wolves and Cobbler! You deserve the win.

For the past... several Days, we Dead have been insisting the Living are all terrible, but this result proves one thing:

The Dead are terrible too!

We'd pretty much unanimously agreed on a Legate-Mac-Lommy-Kath pack, so this has been a really surprising Morning. (We did spot Rikae yesterday though!)

Wolves, I have to know: did you find the post where Greenie listed all of her dreams on Day 3?

hS

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

HOW

WOULD

YOU

KNOW

THAT

Your response to my post about Rikae drawing the Ranger protection from Greenie. Nothing you couldn't have said as an ordo, but I got a feeling you might have a special investment in the matter.

[Macalaure]

*goes to check dead thread*

*expects a lot of dents in the walls from all the heads banged against them*

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Your response to my post about Rikae drawing the Ranger protection from Greenie. Nothing you couldn't have said as an ordo, but I got a feeling you might have a special investment in the matter.

I was wondering if I should comment on that at all but I couldn't quite restrain myself, because it made me belatedly suspect Mac (hellooooo why didn't I stick to that) and I wanted to point that out.

Mac, was that post of yours on Day2 where you made a list and similarly worded your innocent feelings of me and Rikae a deliberate protection lure?

I'm sad to say it worked.

But hey, if it hadn't, my other protection option for N4 was Sally for "possibly seerishly defending Nogrod" To clarify, I didn't think Sally was the seer, but I thought the wolves might think she was.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate

As some consolation to the innocents that Wolves can be also oblivious however: the first moment I literally started seriously considering Lommy might be the Ranger was about thirty-five minutes ago when she entered the room with a grin on her face that she clearly could not suppress. That was also the first failure at our home in keeping poker faces, as far as I am aware.

*shrug shrug*

I had an adrenaline hype tbh. And it didn't help that our lovely Mod God sent me a link to The Final Countdown on youtube and I was listening to it on repeat.

[Formendacil]

I think my biggest takeaway from this Game was: if it's another five years between games (seriously, I think my last one was the 10th anniversary in 2015), I need to deep dive into a couple of old games first to refresh myself.

And, uh, I think I'll consider the Excel thing a failed experiment.

[Thinlómien]

Upon request of the furry person sitting a meter away from me, a list of ranger protections aka oops oops and oops

N1 Boro well, I tried. He didn't let me do that.
N2 Brinn. Lottie was on my short list too. I wanted to go for someone who might be giving a "gifted vibe" and had clearly stated their trust in another player (possible see dream). I don't remember who I thought seer-looking Brinn could have dreamed of., and I probably don't want to.
N3 Mac (see previous post)
N4 Nilp
N5 Pitch (also see a previous post)

[Kath]

Honestly. That has to be one of the worst games I've ever played in terms of my own performance. Beautifully played wolves and Cobbler!

[Boromir88]

A brief secretarial post...

Gifted:

Seer Greenie
N1- Shasta
N2- Nilp
N3- Rikae
N4- Legate

*Kudos to Huey in the dead thread for figuring out these exact and precise dreams. Then subsequently the head bashing that after her death the focus was on complicated messages to the Dead players and not actually reading Greenie's posts.

I will point out that Brinn and Rikae went through Greenie's posts and I think were the closest to figuring out her dreams. And the "dead communication" plots were mostly being stirred by a wolfy-Mac

Ranger Lommy
N2- Brinn
N3- Mac
N4- Nilp
N5- Pitch

You didn't protect all wolves! Even though I think you protected them more during the day this time than guarding them at night. Ah well, many of the dead will be eating a bit of humility too.

Beast Hunter Nilp
N2- Brinn
N3- Himself
N4- Greenie

I'm very glad that this role's gift played out. Especially seeing that Nilp had fun with it too made it more enjoyable.

It's the game I think I will dub Nilp was soooo close, but yet not quite.

Night 2 he sent the PM wondering if he booby traps Brinn's house or Lottie's. He settled on Brinn unfortunately. And that could have changed things pretty quickly. Because at that time Pitch was the the NW and was the chosen sacrifice if they were caught in the trap.

But when it became evident that Legate would go down sooner or later (I think after Nog's lynch) they switched to sacrifice him. Which was a well timed move, since Greenie dreamed of him only that same night.

Then he had a bold plot to openly accuse Mac of being a werewolf and tried to bait the wolves to come after him that night. (I'd be interested to hear from the pack what they thought about Nilp that day he voted for Mac). Only the wolves did not take the bait, which convinced him that Mac was innocent and well...the rest is history.

I think Nilp lacks mine and Lommy's resilience (to help Rikae in their point system )

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Legate (thy Lord Annatar bids you rise from the grave!), good choice to take my place as BH trap bait when you did. It hurt to lose you, but you've been avenged!

And you certainly made me watch you proudly from the grave, and not regret leaving it up to you one bit!

Incidentally - I just remembered your "potential Seer post" (well, as we dubbed it retroactively) where you announced my guilt to the whole village in your very first post... that never came into play. But perhaps that was good!

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Then he had a bold plot to openly accuse Mac of being a werewolf and tried to bait the wolves to come after him that night. (I'd be interested to hear from the pack what they thought about Nilp that day he voted for Mac).

I at least recall suggesting killing Nilp as one of our initial (perhaps two) options, but we pretty quickly decided against it as it would implicate Mac.

That actually reminds me: I think our Night kills, including the Greenie one, were pure chance for most part! Correct me, Wolfmates, if I am wrong, but I think we did not have very clear reading on anything special at least during the time I was alive.
Also on the Night we killed Greenie, we nearly went for Rikae. Imagine if that had happened. But yes, our dear Sestra Wolfcake <3 talked us over into a better idea.

[Galadriel55]

Congratulations, baddies! That was a very close game. It was fun to watch both threads from the side without being personally involved. For the record, I was cheering for whichever side was losing at any given time. ^.^

With pride, I can claim I suspected sally from Day 2, when she started to participate actively. However, I was completely lost about all the gifteds, and even at the very end when it should have been nearly process of elimination I thought the Ranger was Kath.

The game was epic and intense. I am glad I wasn't playing but got to watch. It's a shame the NW didn't get to use his role though. That was an interesting role twist that was debated a lot before the game but never played out. Overall though great game Boro! Turns out gifteds and wolves do occasionally die in your games - but it's still gonna be a votes race!

[Thinlómien]

I think I'm heading to bed, but there's still a lot to mull over tomorrow. I want to read the dead thread, it sounds fun (why do I never get there??) and it might make me feel a little better about my cluelessness.

Also, I really liked Rikae's random comment on categorising players based on perceptiveness, persuasiveness and resilience. Where do you guys think you stand?

Personally I think I'm very resilient (I almost always make it to the endgame, or at least Night/Day 4-5ish, regardless of whether I'm ordo, wolf or gifted).

I can also be fairly persuasive I think (see for instance getting Sally lynched last game)...

...but it isn't really a blessing because my weak point is perceptiveness. Which was proven AGAIN in this game.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Congratulations, baddies! That was a very close game. It was fun to watch both threads from the side without being personally involved. For the record, I was cheering for whichever side was losing at any given time. ^.^

So... the village pretty much the whole game?

And to those wondering: the Dead Thread is definitely a keeper, whatever its role. This theme came up several times over there. I think it will be a staple of Downsian WWing henceforth. In some form or other.

[satansaloser2005]

Dying laughing at Nilp's post. ❤️

[Pitchwife]

Honour where honour is due: Rikae, that was awesome! We only began to suspect it was you last Night (actually Mac did), but I should probably have guessed because I'm pretty sure you'd have destroyed me if you'd been innocent.


Kudos to our Sestra Wolfcake, Sally, who actually suggested to kill Greenie when we did. That was a stroke of genius! Her being the seer came as a joyous surprise, to me at least.


Mac, you said last game you were always nervous as a wolf, but you looked totally cool to me most of the Daytime. Admirable!


Legate, good choice to take my place as BH trap bait when you did. It hurt to lose you, but you've been avenged!



Also kudos to Brinn: you had us all scared with your analyses, they were so close to truth!


Nog and Formy: I'm so sorry for the frustration you went through in this game, but what's a bloodthirsty night-beast supposed to do?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boro

Then subsequently the head bashing that after her death the focus was on complicated messages to the Dead players and not actually reading Greenie's posts.

This was actually one of the things that made us dead just go nuts in there! At least the innocents should understand that those systems don't work and can't work, and are only a waste of time. The villagers could use that time to do something actually important - like this time trying to understand what the Seer had left them.

Why doesn't it work? There's always going to be several version of the lists and the wolves will use the one that benefits them and only chaos ensues - and even if there is just one, you can't be sure whether the dead accepted to use it or not. And thirdly: the dead don't like to pushed around by the living, especially if they think they see things better than the living (whether it is true they do, is another matter then). Fex. we were never going to use any of your lists - and I remember the same feeling from a few other Dead Threads back in time.



But yes, that vote-splitting really crowned this wolf-victory. It was beautiful indeed.

[Thinlómien]

No, it was not you Sally. It was Pitch.

See, based on rereading yesterDay, I was conviced the wolves are Mac, Kath and Brinn, and Rikae is the cobbler.

That made Sally and Pitch the remaining ordos to me.

I wanted to protect Nilp of course, but I couldn't (which you correctly calculated ), but I hoped there was still a chance that the wolves wouldn't dare to attack Nilp in case I had actualy gambled before.

So I was like "who else is a likely wolf kill?" "Obviously Sally who so innocently joined the anti-Mac wagon since Mac must be a wolf after all."

(Side note: I SAID THE ANTI-MAC WAGON LOOKED FISHY AF AND FULL OF FURRIES AND IT WAS!!!!! somehow we still messed up. amazing.)

So I went "but the wolves must agree that Sally looks very innocent, so they would expect me to protect Sally if I can't protect Nilp. So if they want to play it über safe, they'll have to gun for someone else".

So then I thought Pitch would be the perfect candidate for the wolf kill. He was laying low the whole game, ergo could look like a gifted. For not jumping on the Shasta wagon, he was unlikely to look like a cobbler to the wolves. He was obviously innocent. And best of all, he had talked about the wolves possibly trying to mislead the ranger and the bh, which is a point the ranger would have thought about! (Side note spoiler alert: she didn't.)

So I managed to convince myself Pitch was a likely wolf plan C kill choice that they might be desperate enough to go for if they didn't go for Nilp because they really really really needed to kill an innocent.

...oops.

But hey, I couldn't have really prevented the kill anyhow since I had just protected Nilp, who had very clearly said he would be unprotected (which turned out not to be a bluff), and I had no way of knowing the wolves would prefer to gun for the seer instead of him. (To be fair, would I have had a little less busy RL day that Night, I might have still protected someone else, but I didn't have any feasible alternative for Nilp. Also if the wolves had killed Nilp under my nose I would have kicked myself real hard.)

[Boromir88]

Well after some thought and discussion. Game has concluded.

Wolves Victory. Congrats Legate, Macalaure, sally, and Pitch (the Nightmare wolf) for a wonderfully played game.

Cobbler victory! Absolutely brilliant Rikae!

This post will serve as a place holder for the final narration!

Dead folks, come on over and join the discussion!

We'll keep the Game discussion happening here, but I'm all good for calling it.