Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Game Thread

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Lommy

chooses to analyse Pitch. Comes out with the suspicion of Pitch/Kath or Pitch/Rikae

You misinterpreted as I said Pitch/Rikae were an unlikely combo.

[Thinlómien]

I am suspicious of Sally too, especially after that vote, but - would a wolf really not know the beast hunter cannot make another trap?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

You misinterpreted as I said Pitch/Rikae were an unlikely combo.

Sorry! I trust you. To be fair, I was writing in a bit of a hurry. But that does not change my feeling that you have been pushing the lynch toDay in the direction of Mac/Kath/Pitch a bit too forcefully for it to sound innocent to me.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Sorry if I summarised it badly, what you say is how I read it. But I left Lottie and Nilp out of the summary bc they're not relevant right now.

No worries

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Happened after I made that point, as it stands. If Sally was a wolf and Mac not, she could have just said so in any case.

Simply not true and looks very evil.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Okay, Lommy/Mac for sure. Who's the third, do we think? Kath?

Possibly, but I wouldn't rule out sally either.


For what it's worth, while I was suspicious of Rikae this Morning their subsequent posting is making me feel better. Don't know about their suspicion of Brinn - while I feel Rikae may have a point about Brinn trying to commandeer the interpretation of Greenie's possible dreams, I also happen to concur with some of Brinn's suspicions.


For the Dead:
+-Macalaure

[Thinlómien]

I relate the most to Rikae toDay in the way they second guess thier own suspicions and all their different arguments don't add up to the same people being guilty/innocent. Therefore I trust them.


edit: xed with Pitch

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Simply not true and looks very evil.

Uhhh. Which part? Sally may have x'ed with my post clarifying the point, but it's one I talked about an hour ago or so.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Lommy

Any innocent should reconsider their opinions toDay because there might not be toMorrow.

What do you mean there might not be toMorrow? Doing the math, there will definitely be a toMorrow. Yes, I get that it's critical we get a wolf toDay, but it's not necessarily all over yet if we make another mistake. We still have a ranger and toMorrow's medium vote.

Originally Posted by Lommy

But that does not change my feeling that you have been pushing the lynch toDay in the direction of Mac/Kath/Pitch a bit too forcefully for it to sound innocent to me.

Actually, I suspect Sally more than Mac at this point.

With Pitch, so many players have suspected him then discarded him as the cobbler. What if he is a wolf masquerading as a cobbler?

[Rikae]

I'm willing to vote for Shasta or Sally but I don't want to risk spreading the votes too much.

[Thinlómien]

Sally / Shasta / Pitch ?

Uhhh Rikae and Brinn and Nilp. Does Mac really look so suspicious to you that he should reasonably garner such a big chunk of the village suspicion?

I am not convinced of Mac's innocence myself but I honestly cannot see where all this suspicion is coming from if it's genuine.


edit: xed with everyone

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Sorry! I trust you.

After you proposed a Brinn-Shasta-Sally pack a few posts earlier? Isn't this a bit much flipflopping even for you?

[Macalaure]

Bad
Shasta

Maybe bad
Pitch, Sally (just jumped a category because of her vote)

Maaaaybe bad
Kath (looks foul but feels fair)

Probably not bad
Brinn, Lommy, Rikae (I'm agreeing with what Lommy said about Rikae)

Almost certainly not bad
Nilp

[Brinniel]

With my two top suspects joining the Mac wagon, I have no desire to vote that way.

My preference is either Sally or Pitch.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

After you proposed a Brinn-Shasta-Sally pack a few posts earlier? Isn't this a bit much flipflopping even for you?

Pitch is sounding so much better to me. I could have been wrong the entire time.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

With my two top suspects joining the Mac wagon, I have no desire to vote that way.

My preference is either Sally or Pitch.

Hold up. I'm one of your top suspects??

Brain... whirling.

[Macalaure]

She means Pitch, who hasn't made it official yet.

[satansaloser2005]

Wasn't sure I'd actually GET my break, but I did. Whee!

Originally Posted by Brinniel

With my two top suspects joining the Mac wagon, I have no desire to vote that way.

My preference is either Sally or Pitch.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Pitch is sounding so much better to me. I could have been wrong the entire time.

These two back to back make me feel....really icky.


Also, just to throw it out there, lynching me would probably be game over. I can't take anyone with me this time (*cough* Lommy *cough*), so maybe let's not just take a chance on me?



x'd since what I quoted

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Pitch

After you proposed a Brinn-Shasta-Sally pack a few posts earlier? Isn't this a bit much flipflopping even for you?

I meant I trust Brinn's correction of my words and I'm not gonna double check if I misinterpreted her.

I would prefer any of Sally / Shasta / Pitch over Mac but I'm not convinced they're ALL wolves so I would prefer to tread cautiously and think a tiny bit longer. It would be terrible if two were wolves and one innocent and we lynched the innocent one.


edit: xed with everyone after Brinn's last

[Macalaure]

Though Brinn, look at the kind of company Shasta is keeping - clearly he deserves to be lynched, too.

...like... please?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Uhhh. Which part? Sally may have x'ed with my post clarifying the point, but it's one I talked about an hour ago or so.

That if she were a wolf she could just say so. If all the wolves and cobbler piled on and lynched Mac toDay (which I guess they could, since the dead thread doubling vote would only tie later), AND the ranger didn't protect, toMorrow would still dawn, with baddies (all known) and innocent (+ dead thread) votes tied. All the innocents would have to do is be the first to post. It would be very foolish of her.

Now, if you're a wolf trying to get innocents to go for Mac quickly, promoting that idea would be a good move.

[Thinlómien]

I think I would prefer Shasta or Pitch, because I think if they're not wolves, they're more likely cobblers (or one of them is).

While if Sally is not a wolf I think she's an ordo.

And toMorrow will be a terrible Day if we don't lynch a wolf toDay but it will be a little easier without the cobbler.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Though Brinn, look at the kind of company Shasta is keeping - clearly he deserves to be lynched, too.

...like... please?

[satansaloser2005]

I'm still calling a pack of Mac + Kath + unknown. Maybe Pitch, or maybe he's the cobbler after all. I'm not sure on that one. Lommy is flipping and flopping all over the place, but I haven't pegged why. Everyone else looks pretty okay to me, I'd say.

You have my thoughts. I have to go now.


x'd since Mac's begging

[Kath]

I don't know what to dooooooo.

sally or Shasta is my instinct.

But then sally goes:

Originally Posted by sally

Also, just to throw it out there, lynching me would probably be game over. I can't take anyone with me this time (*cough* Lommy *cough*), so maybe let's not just take a chance on me?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Y'all cannot actually think I'd have voted as early as I did if I wasn't sure. Chaos benefits wolves so I'd have waited to the end.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Mac

Though Brinn, look at the kind of company Shasta is keeping - clearly he deserves to be lynched, too.

...like... please?

BG's death and Greenie's post really make me inclined to think him not a wolf. Of course, he could always be the cobbler.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Y'all cannot actually think I'd have voted as early as I did if I wasn't sure. Chaos benefits wolves so I'd have waited to the end.

You can't be sure. You're not the Seer. And you started the day by apologising for being so wrong about Form (as we all were ...) and saying you needed to rethink everything.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Y'all cannot actually think I'd have voted as early as I did if I wasn't sure. Chaos benefits wolves so I'd have waited to the end.

I'm sorry, but if your fellows (Pitch, Sally, Kath?) are all also more or less highly suspected, it's a good tactic to get an innocent alternative out as early as possible.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm still calling a pack of Mac + Kath + unknown. Maybe Pitch, or maybe he's the cobbler after all. I'm not sure on that one. Lommy is flipping and flopping all over the place, but I haven't pegged why. Everyone else looks pretty okay to me, I'd say.

You have my thoughts. I have to go now.


x'd since Mac's begging

Mac/Kath/Lommy is where I'm leaning. Potentially with Rikae.

Brinn/Sally good, Pitch... probably good??? Oh lord.

WHO AM I FORGETTING???

[Thinlómien]

Sally, I'm flipping and flopping because I don't know anyone's role except mine and presumably Nilp's and I'm suffering. Maybe you don't understand because you know who's on your side so you don't feel the same kind of agony and second-guessing every thought that comes to your head.

Speaking of which, I would really like Nilp to appear and give his two cents about Mac/Kath vs Shasta/Sally and adjacent figures.

I kinda like how Brinn is in the process of doing a legate-180, it makes me feel better about her.

gonna x with a bunch again

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Mac and Kath have really, really tied themselves together here.

[Thinlómien]

You know guys, if Shasta is the cobbler he's been pretty brilliant in this game. I wouldn't really be surprised.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

You know guys, if Shasta is the cobbler he's been pretty brilliant in this game. I wouldn't really be surprised.

Lord, I wish. Be a great redemption story.

[Pitchwife]

Lommy now seems to be looking for allies any which way. Really looks like a cobbler who can't for the life of her figure out which possible wolf pack to support.


I think the Kath/Mac liaison has merits. If Mac is innocent, that's another matter, but for toDay let's make it official:


++Macalaure

[Macalaure]

I feel encircled by wolves in the bright of day...

[Kath]

That's three votes for Mac now, right? From sally, Shasta and Pitch.

Well my current thinking is that sally, Shasta and Rikae are the wolves with Pitch as the Cobbler.

But admittedly a lot of that comes from the fact that I've spent most of the Day agreeing with Mac and so leaning to trusting him.

[Rikae]

I really don't like where this is going.

++Shasta

[Thinlómien]

Yeah, there's no way three innocents just randomly decided to make a bandwagon against Mac.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Kath

That's three votes for Mac now, right? From sally, Shasta and Pitch.

Well my current thinking is that sally, Shasta and Rikae are the wolves with Pitch as the Cobbler.

But admittedly a lot of that comes from the fact that I've spent most of the Day agreeing with Mac and so leaning to trusting him.

Why me?