Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Dead Thread

[Huinesoron]

If we had gone +-Lommy, and Shasta hadn't added that final Form vote, Boro would have had to figure out how a Medium affects the 'first to reach the tie' rule. Could've been fun!

hS

[Huinesoron]

Ah, botheration.

Welcome, Nogrod. Sorry you're dead. :-/ In our defence, you just looked really suspicious until the last four minutes or so.

(But there is something beautiful in you being killed by the Dead Thread voting for Brinn)

hS

[Nogrod]

Hi there!

And sorry hS to have aided in your demise. I guess I got my share by being voted here the next. Although I feel I was kind of pushed here at least in part by the wolves. Hopefully that gives the innocents something to chew on.

But hey, you gave your extra vote to Brinniel! Of all people! Please let me hear why?

Originally Posted by hS

you just looked really suspicious until the last four minutes or so.

You just can't be serious. I was mainly saying the same all the time. There was no change in my message in the last minutes.

[Loslote]

We were torn between you and Form, but with the votes being so last minute, we didn't realize we could swing the vote, and I at least was feeling better about Kath. I did think you might be a wolf, but I agree with Huin, something about your tone of voice last minute made me second guess myself. Should've listened to my own doubts!

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by hS

I look forward to seeing him discover that you were deliberately looking Seerish about me, not about Legate.

Well, that's news indeed!



Haha.

It sounded soo stupid an idea - while the idea that the wolves were really getting creeped out because of Legate being dreamed looked the obvious one.

Although, Lottie's intentions have of course nothing to do with Legate's identity and how the wolves read it.

Anyway, bedtime for me. I'll read tomorrow what you guys have been up to thus far.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It sounded soo stupid an idea - while the idea that the wolves were really getting creeped out because of Legate being dreamed looked the obvious one.

Although, Lottie's intentions have of course nothing to do with Legate's identity and how the wolves read it.

I was trying to be too obvious, haha! Figured the wolves wouldn't be able to pass it up, especially on Night 2, even if they had doubts that I might've been too obvious. I was hoping the Ranger or BH would've also picked up on it, but at least it wasn't the real Seer getting killed.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boro

I'll sleep on it, but lean towards the Medium vote comes at the "end" therefor, Nogrod would have still been lynched, since he got there first.

That sounds reasonable.

Other option would of course be, timing it when the Medium vote is finally decided. It might add some interesting curve balls to the mix, but your version is clearer and more straightforwards.

[Nogrod]

A few comments on some things that I think I'd like to clarify or answer to. Just hoping to make myself understood.


hS on reasons he was suspected:

Originally Posted by hs

-Actively pushing people to try and get reads on them draws attention. Not much I can do about that - I get my best reads off people by interacting with them, and I refuse to sit quietly and not play the game.

-I'm saying too much of what I'm thinking. This covers both the paranoia theory and Nog's whole thing. I mean... I kind of see the point, but not sharing my thoughts means the rest of the village aren't getting all the information. I want to make sure that they understand what I'm trying to say and do

You're quite correct with the first one (I really know that from experience - the latest being partly this game), but that was not the reason I suspected you, and neither is the second one (which I think has more or less nothing to do with why people suspected you).

To sum up my suspicions on you, I'd say you were kind of overdoing everything. In the beginning it was the constant underlining of doing some elaborate tests on people, kind of overdoing something like "hey look at me, I'm sharp and doing good things for all of us, so do not lynch me", But the jumping through the roof with a weird conspiracy-theory was probably the thing which put the ball in motion. A wolf, or a gifted, might do that, hardly any normal villager (wolves and gifteds tend to be jumpier than innocents). I noticed it, but also thought it possible you're a gifted and thus went on in a low profile with it, well willing to fish out some reactions from you. But then you made that odd post no innocent should say - and that kind of did it for me.

Originally Posted by hS

Unlike me, he made no indication that he was pressed for time, so he could absolutely have gone back to check whether I ever suspected Form.

Well, it's not exactly true that you suspected Form initially - at least you don't say that in the thread, if you did. You were engaged with him in a disagreement of the Day1 and its uses, and then you said you were seeing him more innocent than not. But anyway, that wasn't the main point of my suspicion. That was the oddity of saying: I suspected him + I have a bad judgement = I vote him. A wolf might slip like that writing stuff in haste, but an innocent wouldn't (well, you most clearly did, so I was wrong - but I hope you see why I saw it thusly and that why it is a reasonable thought).

Originally Posted by hS

Um... yes? I feel like 'Why wouldn't the wolves have killed X? Well, maybe X is a wolf!' is pretty logical thinking?

Et tu, Brute!

That quote is not from a discussion concerning Mac's role (whether he's innocent or a wolf). It is part of a speculation, whom the wolves might have found seerish - and for that you have to assume people innocent, naturally (because you don't know whom not to count because they actually are wolves). Now Brinn tried to make that look like I'm a wolf who knows Mac is innocent because I said he could have been seen as a seer... Holy Moses. And you gave her the extra vote... Holy Abraham.

Originally Posted by Nog

Nog's 'people suspecting me are out to ruin my game' doesn't ring true to me.

Heh. That was actually a burst of most sincere frustration. Fun fact (at least I believe it's a fact): I tend to live much longer as a wolf than as an innocent. I guess I know why. As a wolf I care first and foremost what others think of me and try to rub people the right way. As an innocent I try my best to find the wolves and don't care that much about appearances. It just feels wrong not to voice some suspicions because someone might think bad of you when you're innocent: when a wolf, image is everything, because there is no substance.

Originally Posted by hS

That's what I was seeing! Nog is sounding like me from last game (mostly in the Cutie-bar or in my own notes) - deeply frustrated that people are suspecting him over things he meant seriously.

My daughter clearly knows me too well. I do hate it the most when a wolf and people suspect me for wrong reasons. That's so unbearable! It's almost as infuriating as hearing someone using bad arguments (in RL) on behalf of a proposition dear to you. Yes it was frustrating to sit by the laptop and see that no-one seemed to see what I was really doing, but just harping on those hostile or misunderstood talking points.




Well, this turned out quite a rant. But let's say that's it for my part: at least I got a chance to vent off all my leftover frustrations.

Let's hope someone makes sense on Day3 so that we can give a double-vote that does something good.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

You're quite correct with the first one (I really know that from experience - the latest being partly this game), but that was not the reason I suspected you, and neither is the second one (which I think has more or less nothing to do with why people suspected you).

To sum up my suspicions on you, I'd say you were kind of overdoing everything. In the beginning it was the constant underlining of doing some elaborate tests on people, kind of overdoing something like "hey look at me, I'm sharp and doing good things for all of us, so do not lynch me", But the jumping through the roof with a weird conspiracy-theory was probably the thing which put the ball in motion. A wolf, or a gifted, might do that, hardly any normal villager (wolves and gifteds tend to be jumpier than innocents). I noticed it, but also thought it possible you're a gifted and thus went on in a low profile with it, well willing to fish out some reactions from you. But then you made that odd post no innocent should say - and that kind of did it for me.

I think this comes down to word choice again - 'this is a plan that could net wolves' and 'this looks like wolves out to get me' are both things I was thinking but probably shouldn't have been saying.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well, it's not exactly true that you suspected Form initially - at least you don't say that in the thread, if you did. You were engaged with him in a disagreement of the Day1 and its uses, and then you said you were seeing him more innocent than not. But anyway, that wasn't the main point of my suspicion. That was the oddity of saying: I suspected him + I have a bad judgement = I vote him. A wolf might slip like that writing stuff in haste, but an innocent wouldn't (well, you most clearly did, so I was wrong - but I hope you see why I saw it thusly and that why it is a reasonable thought).

Your confidence in my consistency is pleasant but misplaced. I was poking Form until he said something that sounded innocent, so in my mind (writing in haste + several hours later) I must have suspected him. As for the 'suspected + judgement' thing - there was a slip, but it was in thinking I'd mentioned suspecting him earlier in the post. My meaning was 'I suspected him, then I thought he was innocent (but people are saying I was wrong)'.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Heh. That was actually a burst of most sincere frustration.

Well, now we know that. But you have to admit, getting 'genuinely' upset/frustrated is great cover for a wolf.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I do hate it the most when a wolf and people suspect me for wrong reasons. That's so unbearable! It's almost as infuriating as hearing someone using bad arguments (in RL) on behalf of a proposition dear to you.

Right?!

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well, this turned out quite a rant. But let's say that's it for my part: at least I got a chance to vent off all my leftover frustrations.

I think that's one of the best things about a Dead Thread, personally: getting to complain about being killed when it's still fresh enough to matter, to people who sympathise. (I mean, until the wolves start arriving; we all know what they're like.)

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Let's hope someone makes sense on Day3 so that we can give a double-vote that does something good.

Please. :-/ And if the wolves could kill the Cobbler and get Beast Hunted doing so, that would be great too.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Hi there!

And sorry hS to have aided in your demise.

That's okay.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But hey, you gave your extra vote to Brinniel! Of all people! Please let me hear why?

I mean... how could we not?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

You just can't be serious. I was mainly saying the same all the time. There was no change in my message in the last minutes.

Your #333 just sounded really genuine, whereas your message sounded wolfy.

It is late and I must sleep. I shall see you both later toNight.

hS

[Boromir88]

The Dead

Boro (Mod)
Huinesoron (Villager)
Loslote (Villager)
Nogrod (Villager)

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Welcome to our newest member, Nogrod! Hopefully you enjoy the view here much better than what happened in that Game thread.

And I like in my Lake-town themed game there are wolves, and gifteds, and a cobbler...but so far it's following an eerily similar path.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

If we had gone +-Lommy, and Shasta hadn't added that final Form vote, Boro would have had to figure out how a Medium affects the 'first to reach the tie' rule. Could've been fun!

hS

Interesting question! Not what I need to think about right now though with my head hurting as much as it does!

I'll sleep on it, but lean towards the Medium vote comes at the "end" therefor, Nogrod would have still been lynched, since he got there first.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Interesting question! Not what I need to think about right now though with my head hurting as much as it does!

I'll sleep on it, but lean towards the Medium vote comes at the "end" therefor, Nogrod would have still been lynched, since he got there first.

That's what I assumed, that's why I said there wasn't a point to switching to Lommy, since Nog would've been the lynch anyway. Didn't see Shasta's vote coming.