Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Game Thread

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Won't get much from me today, I'm afraid - I'll be much more active tomorrow, should I live to see it.

I do have a point I noticed while skimming - Pitch and Kath both call out BG for pointing out gifteds, but Form does the same (if less egregiously) and no one batted an eye. I find that interesting, although - what need does a wolf have to call out possible gifteds in-thread?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I still think Pitch is exactly the Cobbler, although I also thought Huin was the NW, so.

I think Mac is misrepresenting my vote and the reasoning behind it, but I don't know if I think it's intentional or not.

I was honestly a bit surprised to see the Huin-wagon happen, given the state of the thread when I left. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a wolf there; it also wouldn't surprise me if there was one in the set of people decrying his innocence after the wagon was set in motion. Those are the two groups I'll look into when I get time tonight.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I think Mac is misrepresenting my vote and the reasoning behind it, but I don't know if I think it's intentional or not.

Do explain then.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Do explain then.

Well, for starters, this -

Originally Posted by Mac

Anyway, votes that struck me suspicious:
Shasta because "I like his answer but I'll vote him anyway". I'd expect an innocent to care a bit more than that.

- is not quite what I said.

Originally Posted by Shasta

While I liked his answer to me re: pushing buttons, I don't have anywhere else I'm comfortable voting.

Huey's answer to me was a good ping, but it didn't outweigh the bad pings I'd had about him throughout the day.

Also note that I was the first real vote of the day (sorry, Nilp) and left the thread completely right after voting.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Won't get much from me today, I'm afraid - I'll be much more active tomorrow, should I live to see it.

I do have a point I noticed while skimming - Pitch and Kath both call out BG for pointing out gifteds, but Form does the same (if less egregiously) and no one batted an eye. I find that interesting, although - what need does a wolf have to call out possible gifteds in-thread?

I didn't spot that, Shasta. Whereabouts was that?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Kath

I didn't spot that, Shasta. Whereabouts was that?

Originally Posted by Form

Shasta, Rikae, Nog, and Kath.

Shasta has a relatively high post-count (tied for 3rd at 18), but this is somewhat deceptive as a guide to his activity level, since his modus operandi was to make quick, one-paragraph replies to specific people/topics. He rarely posted in great depth--but he was involved. My gut inclines to say he's not an ordo... but that could just as well mean Gifted as Wolf.

Rikae disturbs me, but I don't know why. Just a different vibe/posting style?

Nog DOESN'T disturb me, and I actually think that's suspicious--as though he's trying too hard to be mellow and disinterested. That makes me think Gifted/Wolf again, but I lean Wolf.

Kath seems just a bit off-kilter, but I don't know why. She's the only one of these four that I think a possible cobbler right now.

I'm sensitive to mentions of me () which why I spotted it the first time, but going back to grab it to quote I notice that he said it about Nog as well.

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I'm sensitive to mentions of me () which why I spotted it the first time, but going back to grab it to quote I notice that he said it about Nog as well.

You're quite right and now you bring it up I think I did notice it when I first read through but missed it when skimming to find where I'd seen something about Gifteds that had bothered me.

So then Form, Nog, Nilp, BG. I sincerely doubt all four of them are wolves. Nilp's comment picked up on what Nog had said, which makes me think he is the more suspicious for it. BG is just ... I mean that whole post was picking out potential Gifteds and that is just a bad idea.

[Brinniel]

Shasta, I had previously noticed Formy's gifted comment about Nog but somehow missed the mention of you. And then there's BG... *facepalm*

But seriously, what is with all the open discussion of gifteds? I had thought by now it was common knowledge to keep that sort of speculation quiet in the game thread.

Originally Posted by Shasta

I find that interesting, although - what need does a wolf have to call out possible gifteds in-thread?

I would also ask what need would an innocent have to call out possible gifteds? Perhaps a cobbler tactic... or a NW?

I understand Nog's frustration of being a suspect, but that could come from a frustrated innocent or wolf.

I realize that after trusting Lommy as a known innocent for all of last game, I'm falling into the habit of doing so in this game. Someone poke me, because I really don't know her role this time around.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Shasta, I had previously noticed Formy's gifted comment about Nog but somehow missed the mention of you. And then there's BG... *facepalm*

But seriously, what is with all the open discussion of gifteds? I had thought by now it was common knowledge to keep that sort of speculation quiet in the game thread.


I would also ask what need would an innocent have to call out possible gifteds? Perhaps a cobbler tactic... or a NW?

I understand Nog's frustration of being a suspect, but that could come from a frustrated innocent or wolf.

I realize that after trusting Lommy as a known innocent for all of last game, I'm falling into the habit of doing so in this game. Someone poke me, because I really don't know her role this time around.

That's an interesting point - maybe the NW would do it in order to draw votes.

[Boromir88]

1 Hour to go.

Quick tally...Uh that was super quick

Greenie > Kath

*Waits for this posting explosion

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay... quickly, because I don't want to spend a decade quoting everything and then finding out it's again fifteen to DL.

Not sure what to think of the whole "let's discuss Gifteds" thing. The only person who would have a reason to discuss it openly is a Cobbler. This was the first time I thought BG might be a Cobbler (unless it's some super-clever self-defense, as in, "I am a Wolf but now I will pretend I am only a Cobbler").

Nog's frustration is understandable, but I want to resist starting meta-speculating whether he would do it with whichever role. In any case, he now seems like he has dug himself in his theory that he is repeating infinitely, but whether it's innocent or a Wolf defending to the one thing he has made the center of his Day I can't tell.

Otherwise: Sally's list actually puts her into my orange category. Of course it's essentially her first post with some more content in the whole game, so that's not enough to base any coherent picture on. But on first sight, it's sort of noncommittal, or very "bare bones". Feeling fabricated would be the word. It of course may be simply one written quickly, as lists are, but it does not say very much.

Form's list I also don't like and it makes me more suspicious of him.

I see Shasta is back, which is good. I am having a bit of strange vibe from him in the sense that yes, he is quoting and pointing out things, but at times feeling somewhat defensive (?). Including the remark of "although I was wrong about Hui, so..." But it's mostly a vibe, so nothing I actually would base much on at this point. It only confuses me a bit because yesterDay, I got much better impression from him.

EDIT: x-ed since Pitch

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

But seriously, what is with all the open discussion of gifteds? I had thought by now it was common knowledge to keep that sort of speculation quiet in the game thread.

Yes. I agree wholeheartedly. That said...

I promised not to make any defenses, but this has larger bearing than just my fate in this game. I mean, yes, I brought up the idea of Mac being possibly a choice for the wolves as the Seer - so I'm part of the problem? BUT, I thought it was obvious to anyone who read my posts, that I was making it a case that showed how bad the idea of thinking Lottie a Seer was based on her saying Hui is innocent. Like: if you thought that would be reason enough, then even this would be better (or as good).

My point was, and is, that Legate-version is much more believable - because even Mac could be seen as the Seer if that kind of posting would be a reasonable thing to pay heed to (Sure: frantic wolves desperate to find the Seer might of course take any straw they find to be grasped). Like someone has said already: it would be really odd, if Seer-Mac would have said something like that. He knows better than that.

[Blind Guardian]

++Form

I gotta go and I gotta vote for someone so I'll just double down on yesterDays vote.

X'ed with all since BoroMod

[Kath]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Yes. I agree wholeheartedly. That said...

I promised not to make any defenses, but this has larger bearing than just my fate in this game. I mean, yes, I brought up the idea of Mac being possibly a choice for the wolves as the Seer - so I'm part of the problem? BUT, I thought it was obvious to anyone who read my posts, that I was making it a case that showed how bad the idea of thinking Lottie a Seer was based on her saying Hui is innocent. Like: if you thought that would be reason enough, then even this would be better (or as good).

My point was, and is, that Legate-version is much more believable - because even Mac could be seen as the Seer if that kind of posting would be a reasonable thing to pay heed to (Sure: frantic wolves desperate to find the Seer might of course take any straw they find to be grasped). Like someone has said already: it would be really odd, if Seer-Mac would have said something like that. He knows better than that.

I think this does actually make sense and if this is what Nog meant in the first place and just worded it really badly then it makes me feel better about him.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I would also ask what need would an innocent have to call out possible gifteds? Perhaps a cobbler tactic... or a NW?

Actually it might make sense for a NW who is reckoning to get lynched and have no further chance of Night-talking with their pack.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I realize that after trusting Lommy as a known innocent for all of last game, I'm falling into the habit of doing so in this game. Someone poke me, because I really don't know her role this time around.

I don't either, but so far she's looking rather innocentish to me.


Actually, trying to arrange my impressions into a scale, suspicion increasing top -> down:


Lommy/Greenie/Brinn
Rikae/Mac
Legate/Shasta/BG
Form/Nilp
Nog/Kath

sally should go on a hovering bar to the right of the scale, because darned if I know.

[Macalaure]

I'm echoing Kath in regards to feeling better about Nog now that he explained himself better. It makes Nilp look worse at the same time, though admittedly I might be biased since it's a reaction to his suspicion of me.

Originally Posted by Pitch

Rikae/Mac

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