Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood Planning Thread

[Blind Guardian]

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So there's no Medium on day One (since no one is dead [except the mod])
And no Medium on day Two (since only one person is dead - most likely)
And there might not be a Medium on day Three (in the case of a tie).
And there's no guarantee that a Wolf will be killed on the first few days either.

Would there be a random Medium or just no Medium on the first two or so days?

I'm intending to allow the potential for a dead cobbler, or dead wolf to have a little more impact in either choosing or stopping a Medium.

Would the Nightmare Wolf not be able to stop the Medium (to prevent them from being too powerful)? Would the other Wolves know who the NW is?


Sorry if my post is a little naive. I've been reading through some old games but they're LONG and I'm not done yet.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

And no Medium on day Two (since only one person is dead - most likely)

There will be 2 people, the first from D1 and the second from N2 (unless Ranger save).

And there might not be a Medium on day Three (in the case of a tie).

Or any Day from that matter. From what I understood, a Medium vote requires that over 50% of the Dead Thread votes for them. I.e. even if there are 10 dead people, but their votes are split 4/3/3, there will not be a medium (because in this case you need a minimum of 6 votes).

Originally Posted by BG

And there's no guarantee that a Wolf will be killed on the first few days either.

That would make a formidable pack.

Originally Posted by BG

Would there be a random Medium or just no Medium on the first two or so days?

I think no Medium. Having a random Medium defeats the point of achieving a majority+ vote, which gives the village certain info. If the Medium is random, that info is lost - in fact, the village doesn't even know if the vote is from the GT or if it's randomized.

Originally Posted by BG

Would the Nightmare Wolf not be able to stop the Medium (to prevent them from being too powerful)?

The NW acts at Night on gifted roles. They do not act during the Day. Also, the Medium is not a permanent role, but rather a title that gets voted to a different person every Day. That person doesn't have a special power they are in charge of, their vote just counts twice.

Originally Posted by BG

Would the other Wolves know who the NW is?

I think that's still in the air. Is the NW a predetermined role, or is it the first (or second) wolf to die, or do all dead wolves PM amongst themselves and send a collective pick?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

To quote Planet of the Apes: you did it! You really did it, Boro!

I'm absolutely up for another game, too.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It is the TA before the events in the Lord of the Rings. A group of mannish settlers have built a town in the southern end of Mirkwood. The woods folk haven't lived here long, before it has become invaded by werewolves intent on wiping out the village.

Most important question first. Is Dol Guldur at this time already known as Dol Guldur, or is it known as Amon Lanc?

...anyway, the setup looks very good to me by default. I especially like the Bounty Hunter... eee... disclaimer: I already perceive I am not, and likely will not, be able to remember the role's actual name. The Nightmare Wolf under those circumstances would be a must-have, as it is, with the Medium (even though and the Bounty... or whatever... Hunter, the game is likely to be skewed a little to the villagers' side. (Even though of course the Medium can be as much a boon as bane, but maybe a tiny bit more likely to be helpful.) The NW should take care of it though.

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Assorted thoughts:

-If you want to avoid randomness, the trap could kill whichever wolf sends the night-kill PM. That lets the wolves choose who to sacrifice, rather than putting a potentially game-changing effect in the hands of a non-player (the mod/RNG).

I actually rather like this idea.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Also, I suppose anyone who claims to have been visited by the NW isn't actually a known innocent. The wolves could arrange a code - the NW doesn't use their power if one of their packmates says the word "purple", then the wolf who said "purple" claims to have been visited. So it's a little less powerful than I had initially thought.

I see someone's already got into the plotting mode
But yeah, I'm a bit afraid of the "reveal to any NW's targets that they've been targeted" part... but if people start bluffing and double-bluffing with it, then, no harm done I guess...

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

So there's no Medium on day One (since no one is dead [except the mod])
And no Medium on day Two (since only one person is dead - most likely)
And there might not be a Medium on day Three (in the case of a tie).
And there's no guarantee that a Wolf will be killed on the first few days either.

These are actually good points. Even though on Day 2, there would already be two dead (Day 1 lynch and Night kill), but they would have to unanimously decide on what they do. But I guess that at least would give them something to discuss. But it may happen more often than not that the Medium simply won't get chosen. (Which, I mean, is just as well. No big deal.)

But is there a specific reason, Boro, why you wouldn't allow even stuff like 1-0 to be a successful Medium vote?

EDIT: X-ed with Gal (why do I feel the need to mark this even now?!?)

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

These are actually good points. Even though on Day 2, there would already be two dead (Day 1 lynch and Night kill), but they would have to unanimously decide on what they do. But I guess that at least would give them something to discuss. But it may happen more often than not that the Medium simply won't get chosen. (Which, I mean, is just as well. No big deal.)

But is there a specific reason, Boro, why you wouldn't allow even stuff like 1-0 to be a successful Medium vote?

Looking at the Quarantine Thread from Nog's game, the villagers were quite unanimous in who to vote for. The lack of controversy can be a good thing and a bad thing (remember everyone innocently voting Rune?), but in both cases it's a less-amount-of-scheming thing. I suppose things would be different when you empower as opposed to directly vote someone, when you're trying to balance between signalling something with your choice of Medium but also trying to empower a vote you agree with. Will the >50% cut off make the voting even more unanimous, or will it play to the dead wolves' hands if the Dead innocents change their mind about their Medium choice mid-vote because of the Game Thread developments? The >50% rule gives the wolves a better chance at sabotaging the vote, but I wonder if it will also force the innocents to undue coherence.