Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, Quarantine Thread

[Lalaith]

Yes Fea's game was invite-only and mine got lost in the post
It looked nuts though.
Who remembers the ducks and geese one? It was nodded by Diamond18.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Who remembers the ducks and geese one? It was nodded by Diamond18.

Not I, said the wolf. I'm sorry. The only game modded by Di I remember is her Werecreatures and Lovers game. Because Mac and I won that.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

G55, have you hacked Legate's account by any chance?

Indeed. I became an expert after hacking sally's account the other Day.

Originally Posted by Pitch

Seriously though, something similar has occurred to me (see #789 above), but I think the idea could do with a visit to Occam's Barber Shop.

I move we put Eönwë out of his misery toDay, before something weird happens and he walks away from this game as the new teflon wolf (TM).

But would it not be brilliant to make everyone believe Eonwe is the last wolf - if they know the Seer strongly believes him to be a Wolf but hasn't yet dreamt him? I dunno, it would be an interesting move.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well, we're not in Fea's game - good for you.

So all the roles that have been said to exist in the rules, do exist, and all the roles of those who have gotten off from the GT for any reason, have been revealed.

I am actually concerned that we got to the point where this explicit clarification is needed.

[Galadriel55]

I nearly typed "toDay" several times already this morning in messages to my coworkers. Speak of emails from wolves!

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I am actually concerned that we got to the point where this explicit clarification is needed.

I'm thinking more about what hasn't been explicitly stated. Assuming Nog operates on faerie/genie rules, we could still have:

-The Seer doesn't know they're the Seer (because their PM inbox was full when they should have had the PM).

-The Seer's dreams aren't getting through (same reason).

-Nog is the Seer.

-The Seer is also a Wolf (the rules don't say you can't have two roles!)

-A secret player who never entered the GT is the Seer.

-Since the rules actually state 'The Seer learns all the roles', the Seer has known who everyone is from the start.

-Alternately, the Seer does learn all the roles - at the same time as everybody else, when someone dies.

So many options!

hS

[Lalaith]

So Legate and Pitch, what do you think got you killed? I think I've found my Death Post:

I would also put Shasta on my 'watch' list. For the reasons, (ironically enough) that Lommy states in her recent analysis.

I still feel I haven't got any kind of handle on Lhuna, Ka and, to some extent, Kath.
Which probably means they are all brilliant wolves.

[Lalaith]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Not I, said the wolf. I'm sorry. The only game modded by Di I remember is her Werecreatures and Lovers game. Because Mac and I won that.

I've just had a look at the cast list. My only fellow player that is among present company was in fact our NogMod

[Galadriel55]

So here is another game for toDay. You get to decide my vote if you tell me your suspicions for The Child.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by G55

But would it not be brilliant to make everyone believe*Eonwe is the last wolf - if they know the Seer strongly believes him to be a Wolf but hasn't yet dreamt him? I dunno, it would be an interesting move.

It would be interesting, but that would take a lot more planning than over the course of two Days and knowing exactly from about 3 Days ago who the Seer was.
The rule of conspiracy is that it's nearly impossible with a larger group of people because, no one can keep their mouth shut for long (as we saw with our unfortunate gifteds) for whatever reason. Then, trying to rope innocents in to it without them talking about their speculation or getting suspicious is neigh impossible.

Thank you, Lhuna. It was a mixture of #2 and #3 honestly.
It took me two Days to get people to kill me. Even after literally telling some to vote for me after they had ample evidence... twice.

[Macalaure]

So I was thinking about how risky Boro's fake-seering was in terms of accidentally flushing out the real seer. I reread stuff and found this from Day2:

Originally Posted by Loslote

I didn't like Boro's posts earlier toDay, but as he mentioned me as a suspect, I decided to sleep on it before reacting. He does have a point that I shouldn't just assume Brinn is innocent - but I think his reasons for suspecting Brinn are weird, and I don't like that he uses Rikae's trap "catching" Brinn as a reason to suspect her. It feels too "well, known innocent says!" for my tastes.

sleep on it.... known innocent

That's coming after directing #131 and #182 at him on Day1.

At that point Boro knew he could go ahead with it.


and now we have Brinniel claiming the fame in the GT, too.

[Macalaure]

...and Loslote appears to be all over it, too, so disregard everything I said.

[Lalaith]

Ok I've just seen Brinn's reveal.

If it's true, that's hilarious. That post is DEFINITELY what got me killed.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Whoooa! Okay, let's wait if anyone at all counter-claims and how logical will it seem... I mean, if the innocents and WWs are who Brinn says they are, there isn't much of a chance except for Kath to say that she's the Seer.

But if Kath is a Wolf, she's been brilliant. Well, so was Brinn - either way.

[Rikae]

Saw Brinn's reveal and was doubtful because if Lottie was the seer and Brinn and Eonwe wolves, a fake reveal would be the only way now.

But Lottie goes with it, so ...

Eh, still want to see if there's a counter-reveal.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Legate

Welllcome Shasta! Grab a seat, grab one of our many remaining disinfected glasses/mugs (we came prepared, it seems)... Happy for your input!

I've been wondering for Days on end (well... we all did, I am sure). Since when have you been thinking it might be Lottie?

I wasn't looking super hard for the Seer, but it clicked for me yesterday when Lottie posted that first list of hers and left Greenie off it completely. Kinda surprised the wolves didn't notice that, to be honest.

[Lhunardawen]

Sadly I will have to vote early toDay and miss out on the enjoyably intense last-minute flurry of votes. Now I get why people keep doing that.

++Brinniel

because she's really really suspicious, and my Lhuna-nalysis and Ka-nalysis show her to be an Infector more likely than not.

Hmm, no more than almost everyone else, it appears. Ah well.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I get that a lot these days.

Awwww my poor dear Runeyyyyy *sends Evil Breath-laden hug*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Seriously though, something similar has occurred to me (see #789 above), but I think the idea could do with a visit to Occam's Barber Shop.

All right all right. But I like complicated theories. Besides, they may be true!

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I nearly typed "toDay" several times already this morning in messages to my coworkers. Speak of emails from wolves!

Isn't that absolutely normal thing to do? After not having played WW in a long time, I noticed I feel back to the habit of typing Day and toDay with capital D after just two Da... I mean, days.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

So Legate and Pitch, what do you think got you killed? I think I've found my Death Post:

I am not sure myself. Pitch, to me, really looked like Seer choice no.2 (after Boro). I had been thinking that what killed me was my constant suspicion of Greenie and that she was a Wolf, but I no longer think so. (Most importantly, nobody in the village seemed to notice it in the first place, either. But it is true that the first thought that occurred to me back then was that exactly nobody noticed it because those who analysed it were Wolves and didn't want it to be known!)

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I wasn't looking super hard for the Seer, but it clicked for me yesterday when Lottie posted that first list of hers and left Greenie off it completely. Kinda surprised the wolves didn't notice that, to be honest.

That's a nice one.