Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, Quarantine Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Inziladun · 05-14-2020, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Or maybe you're just evil?

If she is, I have a major claim to an "I told you so".

Pitchwife · 05-14-2020, 03:37 PM

Hail and well met, fellow Cuties! I take it my arrival here probably means I was wrong about Rune after all, or he'd be here in my stead treating you all to a round of Viking Blood. (Btw Zil, apologies for contributing to your demise - I didn't feel shiny about lynching you, I just felt less shiny about lynching Rune.)

14 pages of thread? You folks are just as chattery as those outside.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-14-2020, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

14 pages of thread? You folks are just as chattery as those outside.

Thankfully, much of it is banter.

Galadriel55 · 05-14-2020, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

14 pages of thread? You folks are just as chattery as those outside.

At least we don't have Walls of Text. Well, not many.

Lhunardawen · 05-14-2020, 06:29 PM

Popcorn with your poison, anyone?

Rikae · 05-14-2020, 08:03 PM

So, I hate typing on my phone so for now I'll just say: I think Boro is innocent - the way he's playing wouldn't pay off for a wolf - and Eonwe looks like a cornered wolf slipping bits of nightly conversation into the day. Like he thinks he's doomed, fellows are likely distancing from him ... But I'm just watching to see what develops

Macalaure · 05-14-2020, 08:06 PM

Well, I sure feel like a fool now.

Trying to untangle this. If Boro is not a wolf, then how did the wolves know he's not the real seer? Did they miss his hints? It's seems like a number of people picked them up, so could a group of three people have been that oblivious? Seems unlikely. There must've been absolutely no doubt to them that Boro was bluffing, because if they had any doubt at all, they would've killed Boro at some point, since it's just not worth the risk for them.

The obvious answer is that Lommy and/or Brinn have to be a wolf, but is there anything else I'm missing? Because if I'm not, then there's a guaranteed wolf among Boro, Lommy, and Brinn. My gut feeling tells me that Lommy is innocent.

And what are we to do with Eonwe? He doesn't make too much sense, but he feels genuine to me. It doesn't give me cornered wolf vibes and some people's suspicions have a scapegoaty feel to me. Am I completely off here?

There are too many living people we haven't heard from yet, Brinniel most of all.

Macalaure · 05-14-2020, 08:28 PM

If Eonwe is a wolf and he's slipping that he knows that Lommy and Brinn are innocent, then Boro is a wolf.

Unless he's lying and he's actually a wolf together with Lommy and/or Brinn.

Am I making sense? I'm not sure whether I'm making sense anymore in this game...

Rikae · 05-14-2020, 09:38 PM

I was making a reply and halfway through I changed my mind about everyone.

Going back to reread some stuff (no, Lommy, you're not the only one rereading day 1 at this late date!)

Just - a couple of things that are different about this game:

1. Normally seers need to leave some kind of a trail in case they die. Now, the seer can basically speak from beyond the grave, meaning they're free to submarine completely, misdirect, whatever they need to do to survive.

2. Normally sacrificing two wolves in a wild plot to trap the seer would be foolish, but this pack has, basically, two spare wolves, and the seer is more dangerous than usual as in #1.

So with that in mind, to reread.

Lhunardawen · 05-14-2020, 10:22 PM

I don't know about you all, but I think anyone who posts massive walls of texts should be invited in here and taught the meaning of brevity.

Rikae · 05-14-2020, 10:53 PM

Okay, so, I mentioned a couple days ago (for the latecomers, it was #265 in this thread) how Boro was interacting with G55 on day 1.

Okay, maybe I wasn't completely explicit about that because of an annoying insect buzzing in my ear at the time, but yeah. First Boro talks some nonsense prominently featuring the words "in-character" and "unconscious" and "nightmares" (translation: "hey, I'm not the seer but I play one on TV"?) and then mentions waiting for someone to cough.

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Originally Posted by Boro

I'm surprised no one's coughed yet? I was waiting for the first person to cough. Not that coughing is a sure sign, if I cough it's my seasonal allergies. I will take an oath if I do cough, I will make sure I'm all clear and cough into my elbow. I was hoping someone would cough right out into the open, but that was too optimistic.

So yeah, you could, if you were a cobbler, read that as "wolftower calling major cobbler". And G55 responded with a fit of very conspicuous coughing.

(Seriously, I an never going to skim over Day 1 banter again)

Then she asks him:

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Originally Posted by Cobbler55

Should we test you for viral encephalopathy?

and he replies

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Originally Posted by Boro

I might need such a test. Whether we're aware, or in the unconscious, we all remain in-character. Agreed? And what do you glean from my in-character? Am I aware I'm doing it or is it in the unconscious? Leave that thought there for a moment.

Later, he mentions that cobblers are most useful when they sacrifice themselves and G55 instantly starts attacking me in a very attention-grabbing way. So, whatever he actually is, she certainly seemed convinced.

When I read all this a few days ago I interpreted it as a good Boro reeling in the cobbler but you can also read it straightforwardly, as a wolf making contact with a cobbler. And also note that Boro acted disappointed by the QT vote on day 2 ("not what I expected or hoped to see") which makes no sense whatsoever from an innocent Boro.

Not saying I'm convinced he's a wolf, but given the points in my last post I can see how he could be. Also, Eönwë's comment toDay about people who questioned Boro's seerishness getting night killed ... it was a good point. It also felt (like a lot of what Eönwë says, actually) like wolf-logic. I mean, yes, yes, you have to think like a wolf to catch wolves, I know, Mac, but thinking like a wolf is easiest and most natural to, you know, wolves, and a wolf-Eönwë sacrificing Boro as planned could very well point out (a select portion of) actual wolf strategy in the process.

{could even be a sample of genuine wolf strategy without a Boro wolf - if they knew Boro was not the seer because he was blatantly wrong about something. they could still have tried to pick up on seer reactions to him)

Now, voting for either Boro or Eönwë toDay feels way too risky to me at this point. Eönwë was also the counter-wagon to Lhuna, and if anyone is acting like a seer who dreamed wolf-Boro toDay, it would be him. One or both is a wolf, one or both could be the seer, either could be on the chopping block toDay and I don't like it.

Let's vote for Kath. Inzil's revenge!

05-14-2020, 03:37 PM	#2
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Hail and well met, fellow Cuties! I take it my arrival here probably means I was wrong about Rune after all, or he'd be here in my stead treating you all to a round of Viking Blood. (Btw Zil, apologies for contributing to your demise - I didn't feel shiny about lynching you, I just felt less shiny about lynching Rune.) 14 pages of thread? You folks are just as chattery as those outside. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

05-14-2020, 06:29 PM	#5
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Popcorn with your poison, anyone?

05-14-2020, 08:03 PM	#6
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	So, I hate typing on my phone so for now I'll just say: I think Boro is innocent - the way he's playing wouldn't pay off for a wolf - and Eonwe looks like a cornered wolf slipping bits of nightly conversation into the day. Like he thinks he's doomed, fellows are likely distancing from him ... But I'm just watching to see what develops

05-14-2020, 08:06 PM	#7
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Well, I sure feel like a fool now. Trying to untangle this. If Boro is not a wolf, then how did the wolves know he's not the real seer? Did they miss his hints? It's seems like a number of people picked them up, so could a group of three people have been that oblivious? Seems unlikely. There must've been absolutely no doubt to them that Boro was bluffing, because if they had any doubt at all, they would've killed Boro at some point, since it's just not worth the risk for them. The obvious answer is that Lommy and/or Brinn have to be a wolf, but is there anything else I'm missing? Because if I'm not, then there's a guaranteed wolf among Boro, Lommy, and Brinn. My gut feeling tells me that Lommy is innocent. And what are we to do with Eonwe? He doesn't make too much sense, but he feels genuine to me. It doesn't give me cornered wolf vibes and some people's suspicions have a scapegoaty feel to me. Am I completely off here? There are too many living people we haven't heard from yet, Brinniel most of all.

05-14-2020, 08:28 PM	#8
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	If Eonwe is a wolf and he's slipping that he knows that Lommy and Brinn are innocent, then Boro is a wolf. Unless he's lying and he's actually a wolf together with Lommy and/or Brinn. Am I making sense? I'm not sure whether I'm making sense anymore in this game...

05-14-2020, 09:38 PM	#9
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	I was making a reply and halfway through I changed my mind about everyone. Going back to reread some stuff (no, Lommy, you're not the only one rereading day 1 at this late date!) Just - a couple of things that are different about this game: 1. Normally seers need to leave some kind of a trail in case they die. Now, the seer can basically speak from beyond the grave, meaning they're free to submarine completely, misdirect, whatever they need to do to survive. 2. Normally sacrificing two wolves in a wild plot to trap the seer would be foolish, but this pack has, basically, two spare wolves, and the seer is more dangerous than usual as in #1. So with that in mind, to reread.

05-14-2020, 10:22 PM	#10
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	I don't know about you all, but I think anyone who posts massive walls of texts should be invited in here and taught the meaning of brevity.