Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Ka, I'm sorry for your loss.

Same from me. Having recently dealt with the same thing, I know it's doubly hard these days.
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I don't really suspect Sally at this point, mainly because it seems the main point against her is the vote yesterDay, for which I can hardly cast stones.

x/d with Lal

[Inziladun]

You know what?
I'm not going to hold out to try to save myself.

++Brinn

For being Rikae's Day 1 vote, for getting by since, and because the QT baddies are daring us.

Do the same, vote for someone else, or me,

[Lalaith]

It's also an even split over there right now, so who knows who chose Brinn as a candidate.

Calling Nogs! Actually I'd like clarification from the Mod on this. What is the QT rule about a split vote? Is it the most recent arrival that has the casting vote?

[satansaloser2005]

Hey, don't lynch your hunter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Hey, don't lynch your hunter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will try not to (and I got you earlier).


Right now I'd prefer Lottie or maybe Eönwë, but I can get behind Brinn if need be.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Will try not to (and I got you earlier).


Right now I'd prefer Lottie or maybe Eönwë, but I can get behind Brinn if need be.

I knew you did, but here we are.


++Lottie


Equal parts suspicion and self-preservation.

[Pitchwife]

I don't want to vote Zil precisely because he's offered himself.

[Pitchwife]

And if sally hits an innocent we're down to innocents.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

++sally

Her blood be on us and on our children.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Having recently dealt with the same thing, I know it's doubly hard these days.

<3
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Looking at this sallywagon, I'm almost tempted to quote Zil's words about the Huiwagon yesterDay (as in, I don't trust half the people in there).


Btw what I just said about self-exoneration and calculated votes also applies to Eönwë's reaction to me this morning. "I drove the last nail into Huiwolf's coffin, how dare you suspect me?" But you had to vote at a point when your vote would likely be decisive, and if you knew that Mac would come up innocent if lynched, voting Hui was your only viable option. 'looks like it's going to have to be...' = 'I don't like it, but I have no choice'?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Calling Nogs! Actually I'd like clarification from the Mod on this. What is the QT rule about a split vote? Is it the most recent arrival that has the casting vote?

Most recent Day-lynched person would decide if they have a tie, so it would be the Wolf. But it could be that they didn't have a tie.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Hey, don't lynch your hunter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Been wondering whether that remark before was just a remark or how hard you'd go on that. Okay. Now how do we deal with this situation, huh? Well, who are you hunting, or who do you claim you are hunting? Might help to take into account?

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Looking at this sallywagon, I'm almost tempted to quote Zil's words about the Huiwagon yesterDay (as in, I don't trust half the people in there).

Out of curiosity, which ones?

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Been wondering whether that remark before was just a remark or how hard you'd go on that. Okay. Now how do we deal with this situation, huh? Well, who are you hunting, or who do you claim you are hunting? Might help to take into account?

+1

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Out of curiosity, which ones?

Eönwë and to a lesser degree Greenie. Not sure about the others.

[Thinlómien]

Are you guys really buying Sally's claim?

I absolutely don't. It's a very convenient wolf ploy, given that it will either 1) drag out the real hunter so the wolves don't need to worry about targeting them by accident, 2) go uncontested because I think an actual hunter would consider twice before revealing because it effectively makes their gift useless.

If Sally was the real hunter and thought she's gonna get lynched, wouldn't she let us do it and gun for whoever she thinks is the most suspicious, then let us analyse the bandwagon against known innocent her the Day after? We're not yet at a point where we can't afford lynching an innocent. I'm aware it's a question of playing style and how many risks you want to take, but if I was in Sally's position and the hunter I would never ever reveal.

Yeah, not buying it.


ezit: xed with everyone on this page

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Are you guys really buying Sally's claim?

I absolutely don't. It's a very convenient wolf ploy, given that it will either 1) drag out the real hunter so the wolves don't need to worry about targeting them by accident, 2) go uncontested because I think an actual hunter would consider twice before revealing because it effectively makes their gift useless.

If Sally was the real hunter and thought she's gonna get lynched, wouldn't she let us do it and gun for whoever she thinks is the most suspicious, then let us analyse the bandwagon against known innocent her the Day after? We're not yet at a point where we can't afford lynching an innocent. I'm aware it's a question of playing style and how many risks you want to take, but if I was in Sally's position and the hunter I would never ever reveal.

Yeah, not buying it.

Oh, did she finally claim it? I know she was softing it earlier. Didn't buy it then, don't buy it now. (Sorry, Sally, but this is way too shades-of-G55 for me.)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Oh, did she finally claim it? I know she was softing it earlier. Didn't buy it then, don't buy it now. (Sorry, Sally, but this is way too shades-of-G55 for me.)

Cobbler child stole my actual role thunder.

[Boromir88]

Great. Just what I need.

At least there's more time to look at this one than the 45 seconds G55 gave.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Am I right to say that the suspicions directed towards Inzil mainly has to do with vote placement, and his role in the whole “don’t mention the ranger’ saga?

And Sally are suspected for not acting like innocent Sally + vote placement, and i guess we can add claiming to be giftet to the list (after first heavily implying it).

I haven't got time to go through all posts again, so please let me know if I missed any of the main points.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I'm looking through Lottie's posts of toDay and just read this:

So Zil explains why he didn't want to vote Hui because he mistrusted Lottie and me, and Lottie all but goes up in flames saying "How dare you still suspect us when we lynched a wolf?" When he actually hadn't said anything about whether he still suspected us or not. Then follows it up with this:


Now this kind of self-gratulation irks me. If you help lynch a wolf and people think you look good for it, you gratefully accept that, but you don't use your vote to exonerate yourself and say you look good for it, because that makes it seem that the vote was, well, calculated to be used this way.

Was I supposed to pretend it didn't happen? It's not like I said "okay, guys, I'm confirmed!!!".

I see Sally claims Hunter. I'd be happy to vote for Zil or Boro instead, looks like Zil is the more likely option right now, so I'll probably go that direction.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't believe Sally, but equally - we shouldn't lynch her. If she's real, we force the wolves to kill her; if she's fake, the real Hunter hunts her. Easy enough.

[Loslote]

On the other hand, if I'm her current pick, I would really rather not lynch her, please and thank you.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't believe Sally, but equally - we shouldn't lynch her. If she's real, we force the wolves to kill her; if she's fake, the real Hunter hunts her. Easy enough.

Concur.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't believe Sally, but equally - we shouldn't lynch her. If she's real, we force the wolves to kill her; if she's fake, the real Hunter hunts her. Easy enough.

I disagree. We can't delegate Sally to the "real hunter" if she's a wolf, it's all too much possible the real hunter will make it to the endgame without getting killed. And I very much doubt the wolves would Night kill Sally now - hunters often become long lived known innocents because the wolves don't dare to kill them. In this case, it wouldn't be very beneficial for us because many of us would still not trust her, and the wolves might also like to frame her that way if she's indeed the hunter. Again, I would rather have the hunter have their shot than have them as a known innocent. And given that I don't trust Sally's reveal one bit and I would rather not drag this out in a way that forces the real hunter to come out and waste their gift that way, I would really just rather lynch her. Either she's a wolf like I very much think, or else there's the silver lining that she can still kill a wolf for us. I don't want Sally to stick around as a "known innocent" because she simply isn't credible enough to be one, even if she actually is the actual hunter.


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[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't believe Sally, but equally - we shouldn't lynch her. If she's real, we force the wolves to kill her; if she's fake, the real Hunter hunts her. Easy enough.

Except the Wolves may not kill her. Which, if she's real innocent, may be just as well, but it would still leave "what if" cloud hanging over the village.

EDIT: x-ed since my last. Heh.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't believe Sally, but equally - we shouldn't lynch her. If she's real, we force the wolves to kill her; if she's fake, the real Hunter hunts her. Easy enough.

It's too close to the deadline and we have no idea who her pick would be anyway. I'm not voting for Sally.

[Lalaith]

Mac

He makes a shockingly negligible amount of sense here.

Yep, this was what I highlighted about Boro earlier. I don't mind a wacky Boro but a waffly one worries me.
Like Legate I want Sally to tell us who she is hunting.
So much unanimity on Sally is a bit unsettling.
So I would rather go Eonwe (from the dodgy behaviour stated in my earlier post) or Boro toDay. Brinn would be acceptable (Second time taunt from QT - really?)
I am still not completely happy with Legate but because of his Huivote I feel a bit better and won't vote for him toDay.

[Pitchwife]

Thing is, if we lynch sally and she hits a wolf, we're one wolf down but we also loose an innocent. Whereas if we lynch a wolf instead -

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

So much unanimity on Sally is a bit unsettling.

Personally I find her so glaringly suspicious that if she's indeed a wolf and we lynch her, I'm not giving anyone a free pass toMorrow for voting her. I doubt all her packmates would try to pooh-pooh away her behaviour which has been eyebrow raising to say the least, starting from the vote yesterDay. *hammering the point for a billionth time*


edit: xed with everyone

[Thinlómien]

I mean, even if Sally is indeed the hunter, don't we want to give her a shot?

Think about it. If I'm right and she's bluffing, we win.

If I'm wrong and she's indeed the hunter, well, then I would trust her to have a faily high chance to take a wolf with her, which is also a pretty good outcome.

(Yeah, I know in the worst case we could lose two innocents but hey, that's the game. If Sally is the hunter let her do her job. I trust her to pick wisely.)


edit: xed with everyone

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

If Sally was the real hunter and thought she's gonna get lynched, wouldn't she let us do it and gun for whoever she thinks is the most suspicious, then let us analyse the bandwagon against known innocent her the Day after? We're not yet at a point where we can't afford lynching an innocent. I'm aware it's a question of playing style and how many risks you want to take, but if I was in Sally's position and the hunter I would never ever reveal.

This is why I asked her to tell us who she's Hunting.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I knew you did, but here we are.

Sorry, from where did you "know" he did? Couldn't find any way of him talking about it after that "Very Bad Idea" mention, at least.