Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Zil, would you like to clarify this?

Because Mac seems to be reading it as "sheesh, I bet since I voted Mac, Huey's gonna be the wolf here"

I think my actual thought was "Did I really misread things that badly? Are Pitch and Lottie really innocent?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Zil

That's it exactly. Swing-and a-miss.

Ah, thank you for your honesty. Sadly it makes me less convinced of your innocence. See, I was pretty sure late yesterDay that Huin was going to be innocent just because I have never seen a last minute bandwagon of someone not-particularly-much-suspected lead to a wolf lynch, so I thought you were thinking the same (and that's what I assumed in my vote summary post). But okay! In this case, your comment could have been as well wolfy as innocent.

Also:

Originally Posted by Zil

I think my actual thought was "Did I really misread things that badly? Are Pitch and Lottie really innocent?

Is there a reason you have been so fixated on those two in this game?


edit: xed with Legate

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Also:
Is there a reason you have been so fixated on those two in this game?

It goes back to Rikae's "suspects".

[Loslote]

Another list

Feeling good about:
Legate - He started and continuously encouraged the Huin bandwagon. I highly doubt a wolf would have been that vocal in support of lynching a packmate who, until Legate started the push, really wasn't in trouble.
Shasta - I still really like his reaction to the Kit thing. I don't think his vote yesterDay says much of anything, but I've liked what I've seen from him.

Feeling okay about:
Pitch - He voted very early in the Huin bandwagon, and at a time when his vote really swung the momentum. I don't think he would have done that if he was a wolf. Also, Greenie mentioned that Huin kept pushing attention onto the GLP, and that that probably means none of the GLP were wolves, which I think is a good point.
Eonwe - He cast the deciding vote yesterDay, and I think if he'd voted for Mac instead, no one would have been too suspicious, so I read that as fairly innocent.
Lalaith - She voted for Huin when the votes were extremely close, and she could've easily justified voting for Mac instead.
Brinn - Ditto Lalaith - she could have easily swung the vote in Mac's direction.
Mac - I don't think the wolves would have been okay with the only two bandwagons being for two wolves, so I'm thinking that Mac must have been innocent, or we would have seen a lot more pressure coming Zil's and my direction.
Greenie - Her vote was too early and didn't really give us much information, but I've liked her reasonableness and helpfulness.

Feeling nothing about:
Lhuna - Wasn't around when the Huinwagon got started, and I don't have enough to go on to have a strong feeling.
Kath - Ditto Lhuna, she wasn't there fore the Huin wagon and I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other.

Feeling dubious about:
Lommy - I wouldn't be at all shocked if Lommy turned out to be a wolf, but I wouldn't say she's my top suspect. She sort of soft supported the Huin wagon initially, then backed off when it actually took off, which could go either way.
Rune - I get a bad feeling from him, but that could be in part because he suspects me. I don't like that he essentially tried to start up a new bandwagon in the middle of the Huinwagon taking off, but that could again be an innocent who just didn't really suspect either candidate. Definitely keeping my eye on him.
THE Ka - Really didn't like her vote yesterDay, but again, I am definitely biased there. I also don't share the way she approaches suspicion and analyzing the game, which means I find her reasoning to be suspicious pretty much every time. Like Rune, I'm keeping an eye out, but she isn't on the top of my list.

Feeling bad about:
Sally - I haven't seen enough of her to get a good read, but the timing of her vote was pretty bad. I don't think that all three of Boro, Sally, and Zil are wolves, though, and I think Sally is the least suspicious of the three - but if Boro and/or Zil turn out to be innocent, Sally's going to jump way up my suspicion list.
Boro - It would have been bold to try to save Huin so late in the bandwagon, but if it had worked, wouldn't it have been worth it? The votes were very, very close. Legate also noticed that Boro soft suspected Huin earlier that Day, but didn't end up voting him, which I also find suspicious. I've found Boro to be suspicious for a while now, and I definitely consider him to be one of my top suspects.
Inzil - Between his vote placement and the Kit thing yesterDay, I really, really think Zil is likely to be a wolf. Huin suspected him a little, and tied him to me, which makes sense in terms of wolf-on-wolf plus implicating someone else. I also got a bad sense from his first post toDay - why bring up that there might have been a wolf in the Huin voters but not even mention that there almost definitely is one in the Mac voters? Easily my top suspect.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Inzil - Between his vote placement and the Kit thing yesterDay, I really, really think Zil is likely to be a wolf. Huin suspected him a little, and tied him to me, which makes sense in terms of wolf-on-wolf plus implicating someone else. I also got a bad sense from his first post toDay - why bring up that there might have been a wolf in the Huin voters but not even mention that there almost definitely is one in the Mac voters? Easily my top suspect.

How shocking.

[Inziladun]

So who are the remaining Wolves?

Lottie? Very opportunistic, and the Huey vote is not a free pass. Like I said, with five of them, the Wolves could afford to be open to the idea of a pack sacrifice.

Mac? Rikae's "suspect".

Same for Pitch, who I also felt was rather opportunistic yesterDay in suspecting me, especially when Lottie jumped in. Strangely, I haven't yet got that vibe from him toDay.

Someone I haven't paid much attention to, like Ka or Lommy?

Seriously, folks. I know I'm a main topic of conversation, but don't get tunnel-vision.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Sally

But to briefly address the idea that I might have voted Mac to save a wolf Hui, I actually have a rather cutthroat track record as a wolf, so if you don't believe I would happily sacrifice one of my own to win the game, please ask anyone who's been in a pack with me.

You know, I thought about that - how Sallywolf wouldn't mind throwing a packmate under the bus - but now that you've brought it up, I'm wondering if maybe you are a wolf who panicked in the heat of the moment and toDay are hiding under the excuse that it's not your typical gameplay style.

I really don't like that Sally keeps bringing up the idea that both Mac and Hui are wolves. Sure, it's always possible, but I find it less likely. It feels like she is trying to use this as a distraction from the Mac voters, herself included.

Originally Posted by Sally

And another thing! Why would the pack leave Kitanna alive at that point? If she's the ranger, free dead ranger. If she's not, she's still a good pick because people might assume she's the ranger and she would be less likely to get lynched.

Boring? Maybe. Effective? Definitely.

What, are you feeling miffed that people are calling your kills boring and safe?

[satansaloser2005]

I've missed you too, Brinn.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

So who are the remaining Wolves?

Lottie? Very opportunistic, and the Huey vote is not a free pass. Like I said, with five of them, the Wolves could afford to be open to the idea of a pack sacrifice.

Mac? Rikae's "suspect".

Same for Pitch, who I also felt was rather opportunistic yesterDay in suspecting me, especially when Lottie jumped in. Strangely, I haven't yet got that vibe from him toDay.

Someone I haven't paid much attention to, like Ka or Lommy?

Seriously, folks. I know I'm a main topic of conversation, but don't get tunnel-vision.

Okay, so the one thing I'm picking up from this post: Zil is not expanding his suspect list based on yesterDay's votes. He's not taking anyone off his list - understandable - and he hasn't added anyone to his list - absolutely wild, considering how much information we got yesterDay. To me, this screams "wolf that knows his time is limited and doesn't want to give the village a single piece of information to link him to his packmates".

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Okay, so the one thing I'm picking up from this post: Zil is not expanding his suspect list based on yesterDay's votes. He's not taking anyone off his list - understandable - and he hasn't added anyone to his list - absolutely wild, considering how much information we got yesterDay. To me, this screams "wolf that knows his time is limited and doesn't want to give the village a single piece of information to link him to his packmates".

Or, an innocent who honestly is trying to link everything together, not just the most recent votes.