Tolkien Villains - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Galadriel55 · 03-16-2020, 09:36 PM

Interesting antagonists make interesting stories even better than interesting protagonists do.

But part of it is that many of these people are not villains, in neither the moral nor literal sense. There are tragic heroes and antiheroes, and not heroes at all but not really villains, or antagonists but not outright villains either... I am very surprised that you of all people would call Turin and Feanor villains.

Urwen · 03-17-2020, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Interesting antagonists make interesting stories even better than interesting protagonists do.

But part of it is that many of these people are not villains, in neither the moral nor literal sense. There are tragic heroes and antiheroes, and not heroes at all but not really villains, or antagonists but not outright villains either... I am very surprised that you of all people would call Turin and Feanor villains.

I think you should be more surprised that I would call Targlin a villain.

Galadriel55 · 03-17-2020, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

I think you should be more surprised that I would call Targlin a villain.

I have no idea who Targlin is. *shrug*

***Mithadan*** · 03-17-2020, 10:53 AM

OK, I'll bite. Targlin was an early and rejected name for Maeglin and an early name for galvorn, the metal that Eol's sword was made from. That's all I can find. Is there another Targlin?

*First time that I ever used the HoME index.

William Cloud Hicklin · 03-20-2020, 02:30 PM

Tolkien had a passing notion to give the Dark Elf some very un-elflike traits including constant sore throats, and name him Garglin, but rejected the idea.

Urwen · 03-20-2020, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

Tolkien had a passing notion to give the Dark Elf some very un-elflike traits including constant sore throats, and name him Garglin, but rejected the idea.

I like the way you think.

aircon · 07-29-2020, 02:16 PM

Surely you can apply this principle to many strands of literature, films and TV. The villains are they key to the plots, the more interesting they are, the better the story lines

03-16-2020, 09:36 PM	#1
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Interesting antagonists make interesting stories even better than interesting protagonists do. But part of it is that many of these people are not villains, in neither the moral nor literal sense. There are tragic heroes and antiheroes, and not heroes at all but not really villains, or antagonists but not outright villains either... I am very surprised that you of all people would call Turin and Feanor villains. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-17-2020, 10:53 AM	#4
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,397	OK, I'll bite. Targlin was an early and rejected name for Maeglin and an early name for galvorn, the metal that Eol's sword was made from. That's all I can find. Is there another Targlin? *First time that I ever used the HoME index. __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

03-20-2020, 02:30 PM	#5
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	Tolkien had a passing notion to give the Dark Elf some very un-elflike traits including constant sore throats, and name him Garglin, but rejected the idea. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

07-29-2020, 02:16 PM	#7
aircon Newly Deceased Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Alfreton Posts: 1	Surely you can apply this principle to many strands of literature, films and TV. The villains are they key to the plots, the more interesting they are, the better the story lines