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Urwen · 03-05-2020, 04:55 AM

So he is connected to both the sword and the sea? I know Hurin perished in the sea and Turin perished by the sword, but not both. Tar-Miriel also perished in the sea, but she is not 'he'.

Feanor and Nerdanel could fit, except he never left any of their children with her (unless you count HoME, where one of the twins burned with the ships and was presumably reborn).

Yeah, that sounds plausible, so is it them?

Huinesoron · 03-05-2020, 07:17 AM

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So he is connected to both the sword and the sea?

I can confirm that he is.

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I know Hurin perished in the sea and Turin perished by the sword, but not both. Tar-Miriel also perished in the sea, but she is not 'he'.

Perishing in the Sea is a good thought to follow.

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Feanor and Nerdanel could fit, except he never left any of their children with her (unless you count HoME, where one of the twins burned with the ships and was presumably reborn).

Yeah, that sounds plausible, so is it them?

Alas, it is not. (Even if I did count HoME, I'd assume Amrod-or-Amras was still a Kinslayer, and still under the Doom of Mandos, so not likely to be reborn for a long time.)

I'll mention that I've made a slight assumption, in that the speaker is not explicitly said to be alive at the time they would have to be speaking the riddle. (Nor are they in any way implied to be dead, and the timeline makes sense for them to be alive.)

hS

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 07:35 AM

Apart from Hurin and Zimraphel, the only one who perished in the sea is Amroth, and Nimrodel is implied to still be alive. But there is no child mentioned in their tale.

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 07:43 AM

Wait, the speaker might not be a person.....

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 07:45 AM

Maybe it's Nienor and Turin. I know that Turin took his own life with a sword, and later the sea swallowed Beleriand.....but Tol-Morwen remained, so that can't be it.

Huinesoron · 03-05-2020, 07:47 AM

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Apart from Hurin and Zimraphel, the only one who perished in the sea is Amroth, and Nimrodel is implied to still be alive. But there is no child mentioned in their tale.

It's not, and you're not right about them being the only ones who died in the Sea.

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Wait, the speaker might not be a person.....

I can tell you that it is.

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Maybe it's Nienor and Turin. I know that Turin took his own life with a sword, and later the sea swallowed Beleriand.....but Tol-Morwen remained, so that can't be it.

Nope. Bear in mind that 'I languish in the haven' has to be after 'I lost him to the Sea'.

hS

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 08:30 AM

I found another who perished at sea, and who happened to have a wife.

03-05-2020, 04:55 AM	#1
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	So he is connected to both the sword and the sea? I know Hurin perished in the sea and Turin perished by the sword, but not both. Tar-Miriel also perished in the sea, but she is not 'he'. Feanor and Nerdanel could fit, except he never left any of their children with her (unless you count HoME, where one of the twins burned with the ships and was presumably reborn). Yeah, that sounds plausible, so is it them? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 03-05-2020 at 04:58 AM.

03-05-2020, 07:35 AM	#3
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Apart from Hurin and Zimraphel, the only one who perished in the sea is Amroth, and Nimrodel is implied to still be alive. But there is no child mentioned in their tale. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-05-2020, 07:43 AM	#4
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Wait, the speaker might not be a person..... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-05-2020, 07:45 AM	#5
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Maybe it's Nienor and Turin. I know that Turin took his own life with a sword, and later the sea swallowed Beleriand.....but Tol-Morwen remained, so that can't be it. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-05-2020, 08:30 AM	#7
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I found another who perished at sea, and who happened to have a wife. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.