Riddles in the Downs

[Urwen]

All right. The ring of Barahir. It started with Finrod, who went to the water, then Barahir, then the Orcs, who took it from him along with his hand, then Beren reclaimed it, then it got passed onto Aragorn a long time after that, who passed it to Arwen, who passed it down to her sons/descendants, who thus followed her as the next people in line.

[Urwen]

I am assuming that the 'daughter' isn't just some random female, but rather that her name incorporates the word 'daughter' in it.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

All right. The ring of Barahir. It started with Finrod, who went to the water, then Barahir, then the Orcs, who took it from him along with his hand, then Beren reclaimed it, then it got passed onto Aragorn a long time after that, who passed it to Arwen, who passed it down to her sons/descendants, who thus followed her as the next people in line.

Interesting! But we do know the names of a whole bunch of people between Beren and Aragorn, including the entire line of the Kings of Arnor; plus there's a bunch of unnamed Lords of Andunie in there. So that wouldn't be a complete list, which (after adding the last lines) this is, down to the end of the books.

Originally Posted by Urwen

I am assuming that the 'daughter' isn't just some random female, but rather that her name incorporates the word 'daughter' in it.

I mean, she's not just random, but she's not etymologically a daughter. She's also, notably, not any of the 'one's - she's just a convenient way to mark the final trio.

hS

[Urwen]

This riddle throws me off.

[Urwen]

Beren, Finrod and Glorfindel are the only known people who returned from beyond.....

[Urwen]

Hill-dweller: Sam
Home-Bound: Frodo

[Urwen]

Now, the most likely candidate is Beren, but what did Beren have that came to be in Hobbit possession...

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Beren, Finrod and Glorfindel are the only known people who returned from beyond.....

My first thought of returning from Beyond was of Gandalf. Not sure how to apply it, but maybe you'll have more luck. And maybe it's none of the above.

[Galadriel55]

Certain lines sound like the One Ring to me, the main prompt being the thought about Gandalf, but it doesn't fit. Line 1 would be Isildur in Anduin, 2 is Gandalf who only holds it briefly, 3 is Bilbo with a stretch, 4 Frodo with a bigger stretch, but then it falls appart. Who didn't oughta - Deagol and Smeagol? Boromir? And anywaus, it's not chronologically accurate.


Now Urwen's posts about Sam and Elanor did give me an idea about the last lines: Elanor, Sam's daughter, was followed by a bunch more children with no shortage of namesakes. Though "hilldweller strong" reminds me more of Samwise the Strong himself. And that makes me think of the Shire. Or - hang on, no, it's BAG-END!

1. Not sure. Don't know what connection Bungo had with water. Unless it's just a reference to the Water?
2. Held by Bilbo who came back to the great disappointment of his relatives.
3. Left by Frodo seeking Mount Doom.
4. Claimed by the notorious Mrs. SB!
5. Ruffians? SBs? Saruman and Wormtongue? Ruffians would be my bet.
6. Sam? Whose place, unlike Frodo's, is in the Shire?
7-8: not sure of the exact people, but daughter might be Elanor and the followers either her siblings or her children. Probably siblings.

Well, how's that?