Jail-Crow of Mandos

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Hadn't copped to that one particularly, but there were other areas where T didn't really think through the ramifications of Valinor. Such as, Feanor and Fingolfin nearly coming to blows over being their father's heir. How's that again? An immortal people living in a place where nothing ever dies: how would inheritance be a thing?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

Hadn't copped to that one particularly, but there were other areas where T didn't really think through the ramifications of Valinor. Such as, Feanor and Fingolfin nearly coming to blows over being their father's heir. How's that again? An immortal people living in a place where nothing ever dies: how would inheritance be a thing?

Perhaps it's something like how things occasionally went in the Kingdom of England? Henry the Young King, elder brother of Richard the Lionheart, was created co-King of England with his father. Come to think of it, John acted as king in Richard's stead while the latter was away being a religious fanatic. If the King's Heir was a position of power in its own right - perhaps he runs the city while Finwe is away in Valimar? - it would be understandable to want to keep that power.

(Or, of course, Feanor could just have been angry about not getting all his dad's time and attention.)

hS

[William Cloud Hicklin]

"Young King" - the practice was much more general than just the Angevins - was a way of ensuring the succession. As the West Franks moved away from their Germanic traditions, particularly that of partitioned inheritance, getting the chosen heir crowned and anointed ahead of time - and receiving oaths of fealty - was a way to avoid what happened inter alia with Maud and Stephen, and before that with the Conqueror's sons (Robert Curthose did not give in happily). So it was a direct outgrowth of inheritance. There also was an echo of the Roman Tetrarchy, in that the Angevin empire was just too big (with salt water in the middle) for one King to respond to every crisis in anything like a timely manner. But what crises did the House of Finwe ever have to respond to in Aman?

(Also, Henry fils made a rotten Young King, considering he spent most of his reign rebelling against Dad. No English King ever did it again, the title Prince of Wales eventually serving)

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NB: Richard CdL was less a religious fanatic than he was a war fanatic. And there was nothing at all unusual about appointing a regent during the king's prolonged absence.

[Galin]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

How's that again? An immortal people living in a place where nothing ever dies: how would inheritance be a thing?

One could fall off Taniquetil.

Or a horse.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Galin

One could fall off Taniquetil.

Or a horse.

Well, the Elvish equivalent of Death was known in Valinor. Feanor's own mother had relinquished her spirit at his birth, never returning. Can you then really blame them for wondering if something else might take their father?

[Galin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, the Elvish equivalent of Death was known in Valinor. Feanor's own mother had relinquished her spirit at his birth, never returning. Can you then really blame them for wondering if something else might take their father?

Good point!

And if one falls on a good, well placed point . . .

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, the Elvish equivalent of Death was known in Valinor. Feanor's own mother had relinquished her spirit at his birth, never returning. Can you then really blame them for wondering if something else might take their father?

Which ironically would be less of a concern for Fingolfin, who would probably assume that Finwe would be immediately reborn to be with Indis. Feanor, however, would believe with his usual burning intensity that Finwe would stay dead with The Perfect Miriel, and that he - or, if his wicked stepbrother had his way, the misbegotten son of Indis - would then be king.

hS

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, the Elvish equivalent of Death was known in Valinor. Feanor's own mother had relinquished her spirit at his birth, never returning. Can you then really blame them for wondering if something else might take their father?

A unique event which sparked a metaphysical crisis and a full-on Ring of Doom debate. There was never any likelihood that Finwe would commit suicide!

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

A unique event which sparked a metaphysical crisis and a full-on Ring of Doom debate. There was never any likelihood that Finwe would commit suicide!

Not implying that that exact outcome was a worry, but it might indeed have been a revelation that even in the Blessed Realm unexpected events like it could occur.