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Pervinca Took · 05-23-2019, 03:44 PM

I like your reasoning, but so was Tom Cotton, to name but one. And were those 4 hobbits really ordinary?

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G55 was closer.

EDIT: I agree with you about Lobelia. It's nice that she was redeemed and kind of liked in the end ... despite what happened to her son.

Formendacil · 05-23-2019, 06:10 PM

Owners of Bag-End who gave it away while alive (i.e. rather than dying and it being inherited):

Bilbo -> Frodo (when he left after The Party)
Lobelia -> Frodo (after she was freed from Lockholes and returned to her own people)
Frodo -> Sam (when he left for the Havens)
Sam -> Frodo Gardner (when he left for the Havens)

Pervinca Took · 05-24-2019, 02:40 AM

Formendacil is right.

This was my original idea, which I changed to people who gave Bag End to someone who was not a direct descendant (and left it whilst still alive), but I decided that was too convaluted, and changed it back.

Over to Formendacil!

Formendacil · 05-24-2019, 04:33 PM

Hmmmmmm...

Eldarion, Elboron, Eldacar, Galador

Huinesoron · 05-31-2019, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Formendacil

Hmmmmmm...

Eldarion, Elboron, Eldacar, Galador

So. Two of these are children of an elf and a mortal (Eldarion, Galador). Two of them are the last named members of their lines (Eldarion, Elboron). All four of them are princes, but that doesn't seem specific enough.

Two of them are the first heir to a line - Eldarion to the house of Telcontar, Elboron to the Princeship of Ithilien. Galador is the founder of Dol Amroth, but is also the second known Prince of Belfalas (after his father). So are they all the second known to hold their title in a specific line?

Let's see what we can do with Eldacar. Hmm... since Isildur claimed the title of High King, Eldacar of Arnor (despite being much less exciting than his later southern cousin) was technically the second King of Arnor, after Valandil. So one possible answer is that they're the second known holder of/first known heir to their various titles.

Another answer, this time looking at Eldacar of Gondor, is that they're all children of two races. Eldarion and Galador are Elf-Man crosses; Elboron is Gondor/Rohan; and Eldacar of Gondor is son of a Gondorian father and a Northman mother (actually the same as Elboron, give or take a major migration). So that could also be what you're thinking of.

hS

Formendacil · 05-31-2019, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron

So. Two of these are children of an elf and a mortal (Eldarion, Galador). Two of them are the last named members of their lines (Eldarion, Elboron). All four of them are princes, but that doesn't seem specific enough.

Two of them are the first heir to a line - Eldarion to the house of Telcontar, Elboron to the Princeship of Ithilien. Galador is the founder of Dol Amroth, but is also the second known Prince of Belfalas (after his father). So are they all the second known to hold their title in a specific line?

Let's see what we can do with Eldacar. Hmm... since Isildur claimed the title of High King, Eldacar of Arnor (despite being much less exciting than his later southern cousin) was technically the second King of Arnor, after Valandil. So one possible answer is that they're the second known holder of/first known heir to their various titles.

Another answer, this time looking at Eldacar of Gondor, is that they're all children of two races. Eldarion and Galador are Elf-Man crosses; Elboron is Gondor/Rohan; and Eldacar of Gondor is son of a Gondorian father and a Northman mother (actually the same as Elboron, give or take a major migration). So that could also be what you're thinking of.

hS

Your last formulation is closest, though I have a more specific fact in mind--i.e. Earendil would NOT share it.

Huinesoron · 05-31-2019, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Formendacil

Your last formulation is closest, though I have a more specific fact in mind--i.e. Earendil would NOT share it.

They're all boys whose mother was of a different race than that they are held as belonging to. All four were very much their fathers' sons.

I can't think of anyone else who meets that precise description - all the candidates fail one way or another (assuming Dior is taken to be Elvish).

hS

05-23-2019, 03:44 PM	#1
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	I like your reasoning, but so was Tom Cotton, to name but one. And were those 4 hobbits really ordinary? .... G55 was closer. EDIT: I agree with you about Lobelia. It's nice that she was redeemed and kind of liked in the end ... despite what happened to her son. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 05-24-2019 at 03:56 AM.

05-23-2019, 06:10 PM	#2
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Owners of Bag-End who gave it away while alive (i.e. rather than dying and it being inherited): Bilbo -> Frodo (when he left after The Party) Lobelia -> Frodo (after she was freed from Lockholes and returned to her own people) Frodo -> Sam (when he left for the Havens) Sam -> Frodo Gardner (when he left for the Havens) __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.

05-24-2019, 02:40 AM	#3
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Formendacil is right. This was my original idea, which I changed to people who gave Bag End to someone who was not a direct descendant (and left it whilst still alive), but I decided that was too convaluted, and changed it back. Over to Formendacil! __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

05-24-2019, 04:33 PM	#4
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,328	Hmmmmmm... Eldarion, Elboron, Eldacar, Galador __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.