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Urwen · 05-02-2019, 05:57 AM

Do you mean to say that Eol is not the original maker?

Huinesoron · 05-02-2019, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Do you mean to say that Eol is not the original maker?

Eol is the original maker of Anglachel, certainly, which was reforged in Nargothrond into Gurthang. So in a sense, the smiths of Nargothrond are the makers of Gurthang.

But I said that in my answer. So why was I wrong?

hS

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:03 AM

I don't know. You said that each of the three main points are true, yet that the statement consisting of those three points is false. And considering you said all three points are true, your answer can't be false.

Unless there is some obscure variable I'm missing.....

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:06 AM

Wait.....since Anglachel was reforged into Gurthang, and Gurthang is the weapon that will slay Morgoth, that means that Eol didn't make the weapon which will kill Morgoth. Because since Anglachel was reforged, Anglachel and Gurthang are now different swords.

(That was a bit wordy, but you get the point...)

Huinesoron · 05-02-2019, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Wait.....since Anglachel was reforged into Gurthang, and Gurthang is the weapon that will slay Morgoth, that means that Eol didn't make the weapon which will kill Morgoth. Because since Anglachel was reforged, Anglachel and Gurthang are now different swords.

(That was a bit wordy, but you get the point...)

This is true! You're three-quarters of the way there - because I did give 'the smiths of Nargothrond' as an answer. So why was that still wrong...?

hS

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron

This is true! You're three-quarters of the way there - because I did give 'the smiths of Nargothrond' as an answer. So why was that still wrong...?

hS

You mean that Eol didn't make the sword at all?

This is quickly becoming a mystery festa....

Huinesoron · 05-02-2019, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

You mean that Eol didn't make the sword at all?

This is quickly becoming a mystery festa....

Eol made Anglachel, and Anglachel was reforged into Gurthang.

And then...?

hS

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:12 AM

From Tolkien Gateway:

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Eöl was a skilled craftsman and a master sword-smith. Among his greatest works were the two swords made from the iron of a meteorite, Anglachel and Anguirel. Anglachel he gave to Thingol as a begrudged payment for dwelling in Nan Elmoth, and it would later become the sword borne by Beleg, and after him, Túrin Turambar. Eöl also devised the strong yet supple, jet-black metal known as galvorn, from which he forged the armour that he used when travelling abroad.

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:25 AM

All right. It was broken after it took Turin's life. Is that what you were going for?

Either way, the answer remains true. Turin will slay Morgoth with Gurthang, which was made by Eol. And that is the way of it.

Huinesoron · 05-02-2019, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

I don't know. You said that each of the three main points are true, yet that the statement consisting of those three points is false. And considering you said all three points are true, your answer can't be false.

It's worse than that - while each of your three points is true, one of the three is also false.

A correct - though not full - answer to your original trivia question might help, and that answer is: No-one.

hS

05-02-2019, 05:57 AM	#1
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Do you mean to say that Eol is not the original maker? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-02-2019, 06:03 AM	#3
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I don't know. You said that each of the three main points are true, yet that the statement consisting of those three points is false. And considering you said all three points are true, your answer can't be false. Unless there is some obscure variable I'm missing..... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-02-2019, 06:06 AM	#4
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Wait.....since Anglachel was reforged into Gurthang, and Gurthang is the weapon that will slay Morgoth, that means that Eol didn't make the weapon which will kill Morgoth. Because since Anglachel was reforged, Anglachel and Gurthang are now different swords. (That was a bit wordy, but you get the point...) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-02-2019, 06:25 AM	#9
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	All right. It was broken after it took Turin's life. Is that what you were going for? Either way, the answer remains true. Turin will slay Morgoth with Gurthang, which was made by Eol. And that is the way of it. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.