Riddles in the Downs - Page 56 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 10:22 AM

Glaurung?

Pervinca Took · 03-29-2019, 10:24 AM

Huey, how do you put your text in that box? It makes it impossible for us to quote/paste it, but I can't see why you would want to prevent us.

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 10:26 AM

I can paste it.

I am Gold.
I take what I want, looking ever higher:
From the centre
To the east
Even to the west.
In the end I claim my desire, and am forgotten.
I am Gold.

I am Bejewelled.
I stride the decks, secure in my pride.
I claim blood
For my blood;
In blood I fall.
In the end my heirs are lesser and greater than I.
I am Bejewelled.

I am Wolf.
I claim a hand; I claim a throne.
I am denied,
I return,
I rule the winter long.
In the end I fall, avenging son slain by avenging son.
I am Wolf.

See?

Pervinca Took · 03-29-2019, 10:33 AM

Very helpful.

Or would be, if you said how.

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 10:37 AM

Well, you select the text, right click, click copy in the menu, then go to the reply window, right click and click paste.

Galadriel55 · 03-29-2019, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Huey, how do you put your text in that box? It makes it impossible for us to quote/paste it, but I can't see why you would want to prevent us.

I think it's just a quote box without any name on the quote.

Quote:

Checking my theory now.

I am turned off by the word "decks", cause it seems to imply a ship, and all my potential answers were never involved with seafaring. Might help someone else though.

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 11:37 AM

I think that one of the answers is indeed Phary, but he's 'Gold' rather than Bejewelled.

Huinesoron · 03-29-2019, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I think it's just a quote box without any name on the quote.

Ah, yes, it is. I've been using it to set the riddle visually apart - didn't realise it was causing problems. Italics only from now on, I promise!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I am turned off by the word "decks", cause it seems to imply a ship, and all my potential answers were never involved with seafaring. Might help someone else though.

There is a definite seafaring connection for Bejewelled.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

I think that one of the answers is indeed Phary, but he's 'Gold' rather than Bejewelled.

Correct! Gold is Ar-Pharazon the Golden. Expanding a little on why might help point towards the overall answer (and so, of course, I won't).

(Glaurung is none of the answers, for the record.)

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 01:35 PM

Okay, so Bejewelled is probably Isildur, who escaped Numenor, and later took the Ring from Sauron. And the wolf is Sauron himself, who took that form in order to slay Huan.

Which means that the answer to the riddle is Numenor.

Huinesoron · 03-29-2019, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Okay, so Bejewelled is probably Isildur, who escaped Numenor, and later took the Ring from Sauron. And the wolf is Sauron himself, who took that form in order to slay Huan.

Which means that the answer to the riddle is Numenor.

No and no, I'm afraid. Bejewelled and Wolf have the same connection to their characters as Gold does to Pharazon.

(Except in Bejewelled's case it's not quite that simple, because... ah, that'd be telling.)

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 02:33 PM

Turin for Wolf?

Huinesoron · 03-29-2019, 02:40 PM

Not Turin either.

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 02:45 PM

Draugluin?

Huinesoron · 03-29-2019, 02:50 PM

Not Draugluin.

'Avenging son' is literal in both instances - no metaphor allowed.

In fact, I think the only non-literal language in the entire riddle might be the use of 'centre' to describe Numenor. Might have missed some borderline cases though.

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 03:02 PM

And that fits Turin better than anyone else.

Oh wait, I see.....It's not Turin, it's someone killed by Turin.

Huinesoron · 03-29-2019, 03:06 PM

It's nothing to do with Turin, I'm afraid.

At least an Age off, if not more.

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 03:07 PM

But there are no people nicknamed Wolf in Second or Third or Fourth age.

Huinesoron · 03-29-2019, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

But there are no people nicknamed Wolf in Second or Third or Fourth age.

I'm afraid you are wrong about that.

Well, not nicknamed. But I doubt they nicknamed Pharazon 'Gold' either (though the idea of Team Elendil using it as a codename for him amuses me now).

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 03:45 PM

The closest I can get is Narmacil, from Narmo.

Galadriel55 · 03-29-2019, 05:29 PM

Are you looking for Wulf, who attacked Rohan during the time of Helm Hammerhand? He had ambitions of marrying Helm's daughter and apparently had some connection to the royal line. Of course he was denied, returned with an army and stayed the winter. Both Helm's sons were killed in that war, though I'm not sure how that relates to avenging.

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 05:34 PM

If Galadriel55 is correct, then I think the riddle answer is 'Usurper'. In which case, the Bejewelled is Castamir, further corroborated that his name ends with elvish word for 'jewel'.

Huinesoron · 03-30-2019, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Are you looking for Wulf, who attacked Rohan during the time of Helm Hammerhand? He had ambitions of marrying Helm's daughter and apparently had some connection to the royal line. Of course he was denied, returned with an army and stayed the winter. Both Helm's sons were killed in that war, though I'm not sure how that relates to avenging.

Correct. Helm actually had Wulf's father killed, 4 years prior to his invasion. And, yes, slight mistake: Wulf was assassinated by an avenging nephew (on a stealth mission, no less). But he was still a Son of Rohan, I guess?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

If Galadriel55 is correct, then I think the riddle answer is 'Usurper'. In which case, the Bejewelled is Castamir, further corroborated that his name ends with elvish word for 'jewel'.

Spot on! Castamir was Captain of Ships, hence the 'deck' thing. His name is a bit of a pain, since 'casta' isn't an attested element (the wikis suggest 'cassa', helm), but yes, that was the Bejewelled element.

The first Usurper I found didn't actually make it into the riddle: Herucalmo, husband of Tar-Vanimelde, who siezed the sceptre in his own right and reigned as Tar-Anducal for 20 years.

Well done all round, and over to Urwen!

hS

Urwen · 03-30-2019, 03:17 AM

I am descended from the Blessed
From Greycloak, and from Silverfoot
From Lover of the Sea and from Seafoam
I descended from all of them and more

One of my ancestors was lusted after
By their close kin
And though I didn't want it
I was forced into the same kind of sin

I tried to escape fate caused by another
Our sins I have tried to repent
But it was all in vain
And to the bottom of the sea I was sent

Nerwen · 03-30-2019, 06:21 AM

Tar-Míriel?

Urwen · 03-30-2019, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Tar-Míriel?

Yes.

Nerwen · 03-30-2019, 06:51 PM

Urwen, I'm going to be on the road all of today and a lot of tomorrow, so if you have one ready, feel free to go instead of me.

Urwen · 03-30-2019, 06:57 PM

Here is a shorter one

Nine versus nine
A long road ahead
This road is mine
One which I must tread

Galadriel55 · 03-30-2019, 08:22 PM

Sounds like the Fellowship and the Nazgul, with Frodo speaking.

Urwen · 03-31-2019, 03:58 AM

Yes. Should we continue, or wait for Nerwen?

Pervinca Took · 03-31-2019, 05:20 AM

I'm pretty sure Nerwen would say continue ... Galadriel has just guessed one, so it's her go.

Galadriel55 · 03-31-2019, 09:37 AM

Ere elf sang or hammer rang,
Ere iron was found or tree was hewn,
When young was mountain under moon,
I was still whole, I dwelt alone.

Ere tree was hewn, they needed me.
A great force did tug at me,
But strong was my connection,
My land I would not leave.
From that day I was broken.

They came again to my domain,
And tree was hewed, and jewels were found,
And then no more they needed me
To leave the land, where I was stuck.
But I gave them protection,
I gave them a start.
I shall stay until I die,
They will all depart.

Have fun with it!

Urwen · 03-31-2019, 10:39 AM

Tom Bombadil?

Galadriel55 · 03-31-2019, 11:09 AM

Not him.

Urwen · 03-31-2019, 11:50 AM

Rumil?

Galadriel55 · 03-31-2019, 02:42 PM

Not him either.

Urwen · 03-31-2019, 03:05 PM

Eriol?

Pervinca Took · 03-31-2019, 03:16 PM

Am sure it's wrong, but I will try:

The Flame Imperishable.

Galadriel55 · 03-31-2019, 03:17 PM

Not him either. Your answers so far follow a certain pattern. You could try exhausting the list, or... you could try thinking in a different direction.

Edit: crossed with Pervinca. This is in reference to Eriol.

Galadriel55 · 03-31-2019, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Am sure it's wrong, but I will try:

The Flame Imperishable.

Sorry, cross-posted. I like this answer, but unfortunately it's not correct.

Urwen · 03-31-2019, 03:23 PM

Iluvatar?

03-29-2019, 10:22 AM	#2201
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Glaurung? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2019, 10:24 AM	#2202
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Huey, how do you put your text in that box? It makes it impossible for us to quote/paste it, but I can't see why you would want to prevent us. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-29-2019, 10:26 AM	#2203
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I can paste it. I am Gold. I take what I want, looking ever higher: From the centre To the east Even to the west. In the end I claim my desire, and am forgotten. I am Gold. I am Bejewelled. I stride the decks, secure in my pride. I claim blood For my blood; In blood I fall. In the end my heirs are lesser and greater than I. I am Bejewelled. I am Wolf. I claim a hand; I claim a throne. I am denied, I return, I rule the winter long. In the end I fall, avenging son slain by avenging son. I am Wolf. See? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2019, 10:33 AM	#2204
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Very helpful. Or would be, if you said how. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-29-2019, 10:37 AM	#2205
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Well, you select the text, right click, click copy in the menu, then go to the reply window, right click and click paste. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2019, 11:37 AM	#2207
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I think that one of the answers is indeed Phary, but he's 'Gold' rather than Bejewelled. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2019, 01:35 PM	#2209
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Okay, so Bejewelled is probably Isildur, who escaped Numenor, and later took the Ring from Sauron. And the wolf is Sauron himself, who took that form in order to slay Huan. Which means that the answer to the riddle is Numenor. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2019, 02:33 PM	#2211
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Turin for Wolf? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2019, 02:40 PM	#2212
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	Not Turin either. hS

03-29-2019, 02:45 PM	#2213
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Draugluin? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2019, 02:50 PM	#2214
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	Not Draugluin. 'Avenging son' is literal in both instances - no metaphor allowed. In fact, I think the only non-literal language in the entire riddle might be the use of 'centre' to describe Numenor. Might have missed some borderline cases though. hS

03-29-2019, 03:02 PM	#2215
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	And that fits Turin better than anyone else. Oh wait, I see.....It's not Turin, it's someone killed by Turin. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2019, 03:06 PM	#2216
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,972	It's nothing to do with Turin, I'm afraid. At least an Age off, if not more. hS

03-29-2019, 03:07 PM	#2217
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	But there are no people nicknamed Wolf in Second or Third or Fourth age. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2019, 03:45 PM	#2219
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	The closest I can get is Narmacil, from Narmo. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2019, 05:29 PM	#2220
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Are you looking for Wulf, who attacked Rohan during the time of Helm Hammerhand? He had ambitions of marrying Helm's daughter and apparently had some connection to the royal line. Of course he was denied, returned with an army and stayed the winter. Both Helm's sons were killed in that war, though I'm not sure how that relates to avenging. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-29-2019, 05:34 PM	#2221
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	If Galadriel55 is correct, then I think the riddle answer is 'Usurper'. In which case, the Bejewelled is Castamir, further corroborated that his name ends with elvish word for 'jewel'. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-30-2019, 03:17 AM	#2223
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I am descended from the Blessed From Greycloak, and from Silverfoot From Lover of the Sea and from Seafoam I descended from all of them and more One of my ancestors was lusted after By their close kin And though I didn't want it I was forced into the same kind of sin I tried to escape fate caused by another Our sins I have tried to repent But it was all in vain And to the bottom of the sea I was sent __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-30-2019, 06:21 AM	#2224
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Tar-Míriel? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

03-30-2019, 06:51 PM	#2226
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Urwen, I'm going to be on the road all of today and a lot of tomorrow, so if you have one ready, feel free to go instead of me. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

03-30-2019, 06:57 PM	#2227
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	All right Here is a shorter one Nine versus nine A long road ahead This road is mine One which I must tread __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-30-2019, 08:22 PM	#2228
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Sounds like the Fellowship and the Nazgul, with Frodo speaking. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-31-2019, 03:58 AM	#2229
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Yes. Should we continue, or wait for Nerwen? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-31-2019, 05:20 AM	#2230
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	I'm pretty sure Nerwen would say continue ... Galadriel has just guessed one, so it's her go. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-31-2019, 09:37 AM	#2231
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Ere elf sang or hammer rang, Ere iron was found or tree was hewn, When young was mountain under moon, I was still whole, I dwelt alone. Ere tree was hewn, they needed me. A great force did tug at me, But strong was my connection, My land I would not leave. From that day I was broken. They came again to my domain, And tree was hewed, and jewels were found, And then no more they needed me To leave the land, where I was stuck. But I gave them protection, I gave them a start. I shall stay until I die, They will all depart. Have fun with it! __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-31-2019, 10:39 AM	#2232
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Tom Bombadil? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-31-2019, 11:09 AM	#2233
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Not him. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-31-2019, 11:50 AM	#2234
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Rumil? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-31-2019, 02:42 PM	#2235
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Not him either. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-31-2019, 03:05 PM	#2236
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Eriol? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-31-2019, 03:16 PM	#2237
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Am sure it's wrong, but I will try: The Flame Imperishable. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-31-2019, 03:17 PM	#2238
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Not him either. Your answers so far follow a certain pattern. You could try exhausting the list, or... you could try thinking in a different direction. Edit: crossed with Pervinca. This is in reference to Eriol. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-31-2019, 03:23 PM	#2240
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Iluvatar? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.