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Old 06-28-2018, 09:16 AM   #1
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It looks as if the third part of the clues refers to the source- is that right?
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:40 AM   #2
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And the third part of E seems to suggest the War of Wrath, but Este was a wrong guess and Eonwe is male.

There's ELBERETH ....

Or is it ELWING, in bird form?
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:44 AM   #3
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It looks as if the third part of the clues refers to the source- is that right?
Yep. And the sources listed so far have something in common - or, more precisely, there's something (someone?) they don't have in common.

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And the third part of E seems to suggest the War of Wrath, but Este was a wrong guess and Eonwe is male.

There's ELBERETH ....

Or is it ELWING, in bird form?
I'm afraid not, though frankly wrath is a fair response to this character. For 'source', you're not looking for events in Middle-earth...

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Old 06-28-2018, 09:47 AM   #4
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Is the "something" Tolkien- i.e. they're all adaptations?
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:53 AM   #5
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Assuming I'm right about that, I believe the "princess of the shore" is Lithariel from "Shadow of Mordor".
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Is the "something" Tolkien- i.e. they're all adaptations?
Precisely. Well, adaptations or 'inspired by's, since...

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Assuming I'm right about that, I believe the "princess of the shore" is Lithariel from "Shadow of Mordor".
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1. FREDA - Morwen's daughter, sent away - A hobbit disenvowelled by everything - First contact (for many) (LotR: TTT (Movie))
2. E - Lorien's unwitting betrayer - The classic dawn bird - The world turned upside-down
3. M - Mrs. Bilbo - A shiny rock, or perhaps a bit more like me - The first of its kind (ever)
4. ADUNAPHEL - The only female Nazgul - I'm out, I tripped (accented) - Under the iron crown (Iron Crown Enterprises' MERP)
5. LITHARIEL - The princess of the shore - A Latin rock, an Elvish maid - Darkness in the darkness (Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor)
6. EVANGELINE LILLY'S TAURIEL - Legolas' first best friend, but in real life... - Not a Maia, not a flower, and definitely not genderbent Orome - Just below Erebor (The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug)

I'm actually playing this at the moment. Provided you ignore the entire plot, it's not too bad... Lithariel's first appearance was the moment I turned round and announced "I've just been recruited by an elf princess from Nurn." She's not actually an elf, so goodness knows what she's doing with that name...

Anyway, Lithariel, lith + iel.

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Old 06-29-2018, 06:40 AM   #7
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Nerwen's answer sounds pretty convincing, so ... the remaining E clue.

The hint that classic could be 'classical' had me looking at operas ... but I could only find Vogel ... and lark is out ('Lark Ascending' is the most famous piece of classical music I know that refers to a bird).

Maybe we need to look for a bird from Greek or Roman mythology, then.

EDIT: OK, scrap that. Unless the Czech Republic is close enough to Italy and Greece.

EDIT 2: Ah ... the cryptic 2nd bit could be from classical mythology, perhaps.
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Maybe they don't have Tolkien in common, at least directly?

Although you said there were no more 'film' clues.

There was an invented elf-maiden in the LOTR musical, called ELRANIEN.

She didn't betray Lorien, though.

What is Shadow of Mordor?

(The unedited version of this post was a cross-post).

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Is 'lith' elvish for something?
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Maybe they don't have Tolkien in common, at least directly?
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Although you said there were no more 'film' clues.
I think I said there was one left, actually.

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There was an invented elf-maiden in the LOTR musical, called ELRANIEN.

She didn't betray Lorien, though.
:O I forgot about the musical! I'd much have preferred her to Evangeline Lilly.

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What is Shadow of Mordor?
A 2014 'action-adventure' computer game; by and large it's an orc-killing simulator. It's set (brace yourself) in Mordor just after Sauron returns and turfs out the Gondorian settlers... after being driven from Dol Guldur in The Hobbit. The entire second half is set in the lush green lands around the Sea of Nurn.

You play as an undead Gondorian ranger possessed by the spirit of Celebrimbor. Who's blatantly evil, and according to one set of missions, may have stormed Mordor back in the Second Age, stolen the Ring from Sauron, and attempted to take the whole place over.

Oh, and Gollum shows up. He likes ghost!Celebrimbor.

I told you you had to ignore the plot...

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Is 'lith' elvish for something?
'Lith' is from the Latin/Greek for stone; it shows up a lot in words like monolith, neolithic, lithosphere, and indeed (chemist!) lithium.

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The first of its kind ever - possibly referring to the first adaptations?

In a search for answers I found this, where I discovered a great amount of disturbing details about the plots of early film attempts. Can't see a Mrs. Bilbo though.
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Tolkien thought of giving Bilbo a wife, of course, and making the hero of LOTR his son, but decided against it. AFAIK, he never created a wife for him or gave her a name.

I believe years ago there was a computer game of The Hobbit. Was there a Mrs Bilbo in that?
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