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Old 01-22-2018, 05:44 AM   #1
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NIMLOTH Slender cave amphibian is disturbed to become pallid plant.
UMBAR Agitated ballroom dance loses element for fateful landing place.
MENELTARMA Reassemble and decorate cable-car to arrive at sacred mountain.
ELENDIL Loan cover for muddled tall chap.
NOMAN Princess to wed metaphysical poet's island?
OROMET Spanish gold encountered in king's tower.
RÓMENNA From eternal city, all roads lead confused grandmother to haven.

It is indeed NIMLOTH- anagram of "thin olm". An olm is a rare cave-dwelling salamander found in Eastern Europe.

I'll wait to see if G55 wants me to explain MENELTARMA.
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:18 AM   #2
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OK ... I guess I can go ahead and post the next password, though? Maybe you could PM me the explanation?

P.S. GREAT password!
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:37 AM   #3
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Oh yes please, explain away! I have absolutely no clue how it works, I was just going by the straight part.
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:47 AM   #4
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Look forward with G55 to the demystifying of Meneltarma!

Meanwhile, the next password (I've been scribbling away and now have a few passwords up my sleeve!) ...

1. Lady born where three ways meet, however tortuously.
2. She certainly troubled Cupid’s counterpart!
3. Wells girl found a way to reveal her.
4. Secluded lady? Ancient letter reveals her.
5. Eva’s epesse? For her, the simile has not grown stale.
6. Sounds like a utopic time for her.
7. Noble lady runs back for Ol’ Blue Eyes.
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:01 AM   #5
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Okay then- MENELTARMA = ENAMEL TRAM.
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:03 AM   #6
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#7 is ARTANIS. (Sinatra backwards).
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:23 AM   #7
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And could #2 be ROSE? (Anagram of "Eros").
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:09 AM   #8
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It's 'Sinatra' ('Artanis' backwards), but you can have it.

'Rose' is correct, too, and for the reason you state.

'Enamel tram' is a WICKED synonym!

1. Lady born where three ways meet, however tortuously.
Rose: She certainly troubled Cupid’s counterpart!
3. Wells girl found a way, through confusion, to reveal her.
4. Secluded lady? Ancient letter reveals her.
5. Eva’s epesse? For her, the simile has not grown stale.
6. Sounds like a utopic time for her.
Sinatra (Artanis): Noble lady runs back for Ol’ Blue Eyes.
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:21 PM   #9
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Nerwen probably guessed the two easiest ones, but I don't think the rest are *all* that hard.

Maybe give me your thoughts so far, and then I'll give hints?
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Old 02-05-2018, 02:05 PM   #10
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For 6 I have been unsuccessfully trying to come up with synonyms for either utopic as in future or utopic as in very good.


Also, was it just me or was the Downs inaccessible in the last couple days?
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Old 02-07-2018, 01:29 AM   #11
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Indeed!

1. Lady born where three ways meet, however tortuously.
Rose: She certainly troubled Cupid’s counterpart!
3. Wells girl found a way, through confusion, to reveal her.
4. Secluded lady? Ancient letter reveals her.
5. Eva’s epesse? For her, the simile has not grown stale.
Idril: Sounds like a utopic time for her.
Sinatra (Artanis): Noble lady runs back for Ol’ Blue Eyes.
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Well, I can't make head nor tail of the clues themselves (though the 'ancient letter' keeps pointing me at Miriel Th/Serinde for #4, and she could definitely be described as 'secluded'), but with three datapoints, I'm sure it's possible to deduce the password.

There are two words that come to mind as fitting the -R---IS pattern, both names: Artanis and Erendis. However, neither of them seem to fit as a linking theme. It's possible that Erendis could be the password, making a hidden eighth name in the set; I've not been around long enough to know if that would be valid under the rules.

But assuming for a moment that neither Erendis nor Miriel are relevant, what can the three names we do have tell us? Rose Cotton-Gamgee, Artanis, and Idril Celebrindal are all:
  • Women (obviously)
  • Wives (also obviously)
  • Connected to a journey over the Sea (Rose's husband went, the other two made their own - Artanis twice!)
  • Known by an epesse - Rosie, Galadriel, and Idril, which isn't her original Quenya name. (Clue #5 could point to this.)
  • Resident in isolationist enclaves. I know, that describes half of Middle-earth, but the Shire, Lorien, and Gondolin make a good showing. (Clue #4's 'secluded' could point to this.)
  • Related to a resident or guest in Imladris (ie, Sam, Celebrian, and Elrond himself).
  • People whose status is in doubt in the evolving Legendarium. Not Rosie Cotton this time, but Meril-i-Turinqi, the Lady of Tol Eressëa, whose name indeed translates to Rose. Does she still exist? How did Artanis reach Middle-earth? Is Idril in Valinor with Tuor, or sleeping in the Tower of Pearl?

... it turns out three datapoints isn't enough to narrow things down in a hyper-connected setting like Middle-earth. Darn.

That '-IS' in the password really bothers me. It's just not a common word-ender in English, so my mind keeps parsing it as Elvish, which almost certainly means a name... but whose (or where's)? Other than Rivendell, there's no-one/where obviously linking Rosie to the other two - the hazard of being a Hobbit, I suppose.

... yeah, I was hoping something would have sprung out at me by this point, but no such luck. Maybe some of my ramblings will help someone else out.

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EDIT: They are also, weirdly enough, all credited with seeing the future: obviously Galadriel's mirror and Idril's foresight, but also Rosie's words to Sam: "They said you were dead; but I’ve been expecting you since the Spring." The Spring in question, of course, was when the Ring was destroyed; if not actual foresight, we can at least credit Rosie with an uncanny awareness of distant events... (No, probably not, but you never know!)

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Old 02-07-2018, 10:25 AM   #13
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The password is indeed ERENDIS. It couldn't be Artanis, because that is the answer to the final clue, and I don't tend to use an answer twice in one puzzle.

It's only relatively recently that we've had themes every time as well as passwords.

Mine does have a theme too. But it isn't one that you have yet suggested (ingenious though many of your suggestions are!)

Miriel is not the answer to number 4. You might want to consider that the 'straight' part of the clue is not always at the beginning.

Don't forget that the theme may not be spelt out, as with Nerwen's 'Numenor' one. It may be 'silent,' but with all the answers - INCLUDING the password - fitting it.

E: Lady born where three ways meet, however tortuously.
Rose: She certainly troubled Cupid’s counterpart!
E: Wells girl found a way, through confusion, to reveal her.
N: Secluded lady? Ancient letter reveals her.
D: Eva’s epesse? For her, the simile has not grown stale.
Idril: Sounds like a utopic time for her.
Sinatra (Artanis): Noble lady runs back for Ol’ Blue Eyes.

...

As a hint, the theme is proving difficult because of the *order* in which the clues have so far been guessed.
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