Werewolf CXIII: Death at Deadmen's Dike - GAME THREAD

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ok.
I´ve been reading over everything since page 2 now, and I am pretty sure Huey is the Cobbler. On Day 2 he said at least twice "I can´t see Pitchwife as a wolf." So there I was thinking that Morsul was a Cobbler masquerading as a Seer, but it was Huey all along.

Which obviously revolves around me being the wolf--an assumption you came up with rather suddenly once I put pressure on you.

The fun thing is, I was just beginning to consider you and Huey as a wolf & cobbler team, not sure who was master who disciple.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Which by the way, is a sensible explanation for why Morsul voted for him but didn´t out himself as the Seer. He´d found the Cobbler but hadn´t found the second wolf yet.

No. Morsul by his own words dreamed innocent!Sally on N2, and equally by his own words 'didn't realize we were starting I got me days mixed up' (#85). If he didn't realize D1 was D1, he wouldn't have known to send in a dream the preceding Night. Nice try though.

(x-ed with Huey)

[Lalaith]

Which obviously revolves around me being the wolf--an assumption you came up with rather suddenly once I put pressure on you.

Whoa, slow down there sailor. A cobbler Huey thinking you're a wolf doesn't necessarily involve you being a wolf. However, if you insist...

No. Morsul by his own words dreamed innocent!Sally on N2, and equally by his own words 'didn't realize we were starting I got me days mixed up' (#85). If he didn't realize D1 was D1, he wouldn't have known to send in a dream the preceding Night. Nice try though.

That was something I wondered might have happened, in my post 158 at the beginning of toDay. Doesn't mean it actually did happen. Morsul on the admin thread (where you must tell the truth) simply said he had missed the voting deadline for the first time, what he says on the game thread may or may not be true.

All this aside I am conscious of the fact that only three of the remaining six survivors have been posting today so it is little wonder we are all getting a little snarly.
I need to go to bed soon and would really very much like to hear from Boro, Shasta and Sally before I do so.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm home and famished. You kids play nicely while Sally makes herself some puppy chow.

By the way, I have a hopefully not wacky theory: Maybe Morsul dreamt of Huey as the cobbler? His post (which I'll link here once I find it again) really seemed like a seer hint, but obviously he hadn't found the second wolf, because he would have just flat out said so.

I'll catch up while I eat. Back in a few minutes.


EDIT: Clarifying that I haven't read anything since about noon. Make of that what you will.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

By the way, I have a hopefully not wacky theory: Maybe Morsul dreamt of Huey as the cobbler? His post (which I'll link HERE once I find it again) really seemed like a seer hint, but obviously he hadn't found the second wolf, because he would have just flat out said so.

I'll catch up while I eat. Back in a few minutes.


EDIT: Clarifying that I haven't read anything since about noon. Make of that what you will.

Well, he could have been giving a signal of who he was going to dream of the next, which left wolf-Huey to go after the Morsul-seer who was now going to be unprotected at night and if wolf-Huey deduced Morsul was the seer.

Or the lone wolf is trying a frame job on Huey, to make it look like Morsul was going to dream Huey next.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Well, he could have been giving a signal of who he was going to dream of the next, which left wolf-Huey to go after the Morsul-seer who was now going to be unprotected at night and if wolf-Huey deduced Morsul was the seer.

Maaaaaaybe, but that doesn't strike me as Morsul behavior.


x'd with Pitch

[Lalaith]

Ahem. Sally, Boro, please read my post 174...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ahem. Sally, Boro, please read my post 174...

I'm caught up now.

[Pitchwife]

In fact, let's:

++Lalaith
For pushing Nerranger's lynch yesterDay, and grasping at straws toDay (Morsul dreaming Huey is just construed).

I won't be coming back before DL, so lynch wisely.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Hello.

Reading.

Glad things worked out yesterday. One down one to go. Sally to answer your question, I didn't realize we were starting I got me days mixed up.

Y'all know I usually don't shut up .

Blah. He does realize there are only two wolves though, which matters in the grand scheme.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Ok. Huey strikes me as suspicious.

As Sally said easy first vote. But there's also Inzil's death now it could have been an easy no trace kill but not gonna lie, if I were in the wolf's shoes I'd had taken me(Morsul) out. I literally didn't post so there'd REALLY be nothing to go on.

Inzil also seemed to push on Boro a bit... worried about making a band wagon or just misdirection?

He almost certainly didn't get a first Night dream, so at this point, he likely knows no more than the rest of us.

I don't entirely get the point of that last bit. We (and certainly Morsul) knew Dun wasn't the seer, so why make a point of this at all.

Also, notice he says Huey is suspicious but then goes off on a tangent about how the wolves might have done as well to have killed him. (Sigh.) In any case, he just echoes my (not even formed yet) suspicion of Huey and doesn't go into why.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Unrelated...

Since when can we post pictures?

Blah.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

From Rune

Now I might just be dialing in too closely but could this be wolf to wolf communication?
(Evil plan) as in "Huey stick to the plan"? And then sort of "hey guys ignore him for a while.

He's either reading too much into this or he's telling us something. Something about the language of his post seems different. It's the conspiracy theorist in me.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Wouldn't know what the plan is. I do know wolf on wolf suspicions aren't a new strategy and can easily hide a newer player. I used the tactic my first game out.

I'm just going on information I'm Seeing is all, and that's that I trust Sally. So I'm inclined to see where she's coming from.

Again, talking about Huey. It's almost all he does. That said, there's really no other way to read his statement about me....

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I think I accidentally read his response to Rune as against Boro when it was neutral. As for misdirection I meant a wolf might want us looking at who Zil suspected.

This is Morsul's only post of substance in which he doesn't mention Huey directly. I know there aren't that many posts to begin with, but....

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Day 1 I was absent...
Day 2 I'll have to vote early wife and I are going to a movie. So I'll be voting soon)

Probably Huey unless the Seer themselves says otherwise. Which is unlikely.

Obviously the seer isn't going to say otherwise....

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

So we have the two absentees Myself and Shastaworking overtime coming to two different conclusions. I'm curious what others think.

Blah, more or less.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

++Huey

For stated reasons. Happy Hunting happy New Year.

And that's the end of Morsul's posts, talking again about Huey.


I mean, don't get me wrong here. I don't necessarily disagree that Morsul dreamt me; it's possible he didn't and just read me well, but his certainty of tone and choice of capitalization rather give it (and him) away.

That said, he talks about Huey in almost every post, and talks about everyone else basically not at all.


I need ice cream....

[satansaloser2005]

Could kill: Huey, Pitchwife, Lal

NO KILLING: Sally, Boro, Shasta (in memory of Nerwen)

The lists are in no real order.

[Lalaith]

Victory party, you say? Lynching me now will almost certainly make it a victory party for the wolves, I'm afraid.
Anyway, I just can't stay awake any longer. Sally and other innocents, I am going to go with the suggestion of our dead Seer and vote for Huey. I think, for what it's worth, that given his jumpiness today, that pitch is probably also a baddie.
It is a pity, for the sake of the village, that I wasn't lynched in nerwens place yesterday as it would put us in a much stronger position today. But never mind. Let's do our best.
++Huey

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I was thinking Nerwen was still around and going to vote, so was throwing the ball in her court to either vote for you or Lalaith, since she had mentioned red flags on both of you.

At one minute before deadline?!

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Or the lone wolf is trying a frame job on Huey, to make it look like Morsul was going to dream Huey next.

Are you proposing Sally as the wolf, or claiming it yourself?

hS

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

At one minute before deadline?!

Aye. She had posted not too long before that, so I assumed she was around at the DL and would be voting to save herself.

Are you proposing Sally as the wolf, or claiming it yourself?

hS

No. Sally's not the wolf. Taking into account, her Day 1 vote for Runewolf, her really just positive and helpful posts, and pretty rock solid confirmation from the dead Seer, I'm putting her as a certain innocent and will more than likely be following however she votes today. Because while we can all be very wrong on things, I can say besides myself her judgement and voting is coming from a place of good intentions.

And with that being said on sally, she's probably the next one to die if we don't lynch the wolf today. My dear, help us all you can while you can, you're our only hope now.

I'm claiming, whoever the wolf is.. First Zil mentions your jumpiness, he dies. Then Morsul votes for you, he dies and he's the seer. So either the remaining wolf is framing you hardcore to make it look like YOU are the last wolf trying to knock off the seer before getting dreamed of...or you actually are the remaining wolf, and since your partner Rune was lynched Day 1, you had to get the seer before seer got you.

[Lalaith]

And with that being said on sally, she's probably the next one to die if we don't lynch the wolf today. My dear, help us all you can while you can, you're our only hope now.

I second this and with even more urgency as I am literally falling asleep.

[satansaloser2005]

I have a reading of Morsul's posts open in another tab, but it's hurting my brain.

Are we absolutely sure Morsul didn't send in a dream on the opening Night of the game? (I'm asking Gal in particular, but I'm not really expecting an answer.)

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I have a reading of Morsul's posts open in another tab, but it's hurting my brain.

Are we absolutely sure Morsul didn't send in a dream on the opening Night of the game? (I'm asking Gal in particular, but I'm not really expecting an answer.)

Alas, I don't think it would be fair to answer yea or nay with regard to Nightly activities. Many things can happen IRL to interfere with playing for various time intervals, but in the end I think it's most fair to rely on what players post themselves. I leave it up to you to interpret Morsul's posts either way.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

So either the remaining wolf is framing you hardcore to make it look like YOU are the last wolf trying to knock off the seer before getting dreamed of...or you actually are the remaining wolf, and since your partner Rune was lynched Day 1, you had to get the seer before seer got you.

Or maybe literally any wolf in history would kill a revealed Seer, regardless of whether they were under suspicion or not.

I find this argument and your last-second vote both suspicious, and would really appreciate an answer from Sally on whether she still thinks you're innocent. In the next 20 minutes or so, I will either vote Lalaith or Boromir - but I still don't know which.

hS

PS: Sally, if he did send in a Night One dream, then he lied when he said he mixed up the days.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Or maybe literally any wolf in history would kill a revealed Seer, regardless of whether they were under suspicion or not.

Correct, which is why I'm claiming the deaths of Zil and Morsul make you look the worst of everyone here, so either you're innocent and the night kills are setting you up for an easy lynch target, or you are the wolf.

[Pitchwife]

OK, I've got to vote and go to bed rather soonish. It rather sucks that we three Europeans are left to slam this out between us, but pending Boro's reappearance and an explanation of what the Angband he thought he was doing yesterDay I'll probably vote Lalaith over Huey.

(post coinciding with an appearance of Americans)

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I was thinking Nerwen was still around and going to vote, so was throwing the ball in her court to either vote for you or Lalaith, since she had mentioned red flags on both of you.

Alas she didn't vote at all. If I had any reason to think she was the Ranger, or that she wasn't going to vote I would have voted for Lalaith.

I didn't see where she red-flagged me, but if she did, fair enough.

[QUOTE=satansaloser2005;710250]
By the way, I have a hopefully not wacky theory: Maybe Morsul dreamt of Huey as the cobbler?/QUOTE]
See above why I don't think that's possible.