Werewolf CXIII: Death at Deadmen's Dike - GAME THREAD

[Lalaith]

This vote cemented Rune's fate right at DL-- or did it? Even if one of the other candidates had got another vote (which was unlikely at this time), Rune would still have been lynched based on the Rule of First. Thus Sally's vote looks good on first sight, but could well have been made by a fellow-wolf who found D1 had gone horribly wrong in her absence and pushed what's falling to dissociate herself from Rune.

Not quite getting this by the way - I don´t see how Rune´s fate was necessarily already sealed at the time of Sally´s vote, even though it was very close to deadline. Lets say a Sally-wolf is trying to save fellow-wolf Rune. Why not vote for Boro or Zil, (Nerwen would not be such a good bet as she had herself not voted at this point and would obv vote to save herself) hoping that one of Nerwen, Morsul or Shasta would also come in at deadline vote in this way? That would give Boro or Zil three votes, to Rune´s two.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Would it help if I promise to be less absent? And actually be watching the real game thread? I didn't think we were starting till after New Years, oops. Will dig into this tomorrow.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Would it help if I promise to be less absent?

Well, that would certainly be a big help...

I'm increasingly concerned that we might have a silent wolf, and with three (counting Nerwen) silent players yesterday, it's too big a field to just grind our way through. Zil's death last Night doesn't seem to point at any of the three (my working theory is that he was killed because his vote sealed Rune's fate, 'confirming' his innocence), so we're working entirely in the dark if that's the case.

That said, there's still Boro's behaviour yesterday to consider. If he's less goofy today, that could mean he was truly just 'having fun'... but on the flip side, it might point at a nervous wolf or BoroMoon. And of course Sally still hasn't arrived to clarify on that last-minute vote.

Hopefully people show up earlier toDay... the last thing I want is to vote without hearing from everyone.

Pre-edit: Boro is looking less goofy, but is pseudo-clearing not only me, but Sally as well. Hmm. Also claiming part of the kill; Boro, are you suggesting yesterday's goofiness was a strategy to try and draw out a wolf? If so, how was that supposed to work, exactly?

hS

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Pre-edit: Boro is looking less goofy, but is pseudo-clearing not only me, but Sally as well. Hmm. Also claiming part of the kill; Boro, are you suggesting yesterday's goofiness was a strategy to try and draw out a wolf? If so, how was that supposed to work, exactly?

hS

Yes...I would bet my posting behavior yesterday was talked about by everyone who did show up yesterday. It was the "talk of the town" you might say.

My courtroom manner might be somewhat...unconventional, even argumentative just for the sake of being different, but what was the most discussed topic yesterday? Day 1 all there is to go on is conversation and if being the odd one that takes on suspicion, at least everyone who was around yesterday talked about it, including the wolf.

There's a method to random goofiness, sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Now that there is more to go on than nothing, and my Day 1 behavior, I don't think you'll get anymore rhyming out of me, but we'll all just have to wait and see!

[Pitchwife]

Boro, so you're saying you deliberately made yourself an easy target to see who would swallow the bait? If that's not a rationalisation ex post, it certainly makes sense-- as in, it makes your behaviour make sense where there didn't seemy to be any.

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I'm increasingly concerned that we might have a silent wolf

This. It's strange that there was no attempt to get an alternative bandwagon rolling and save Rune; if his packmate was absent this would explain that.

[satansaloser2005]

Good morning, all! And it is a good morning indeed!

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Yes...I would bet my posting behavior yesterday was talked about by everyone who did show up yesterday. It was the "talk of the town" you might say.

My courtroom manner might be somewhat...unconventional, even argumentative just for the sake of being different, but what was the most discussed topic yesterday? Day 1 all there is to go on is conversation and if being the odd one that takes on suspicion, at least everyone who was around yesterday talked about it, including the wolf.

There's a method to random goofiness, sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Now that there is more to go on than nothing, and my Day 1 behavior, I don't think you'll get anymore rhyming out of me, but we'll all just have to wait and see!

Welcome to the silly side. We have cookies and bandwagons.

I'd say this checks out so far though, not only because it's my own MO, but because, well, we got a wolf. Well done so far, my prince. *nuzzles*

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Boro, so you're saying you deliberately made yourself an easy target to see who would swallow the bait? If that's not a rationalisation ex post, it certainly makes sense-- as in, it makes your behaviour make sense where there didn't seemy to be.

I would agree that it almost makes sense. Boro's behaviour was 'the talk of the town' - but when it came down to it, he voted for Nerwen, not any of the people who had been discussing him. Boro, was there nothing in anyone's words - Rune's, Pitch's, mine, Zil's, we all commented on you or people's reactions to you - that was more worthy of a vote than 'she would make a dangerous wolf'?

hS

(Crossed with Sally)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I would agree that it almost makes sense. Boro's behaviour was 'the talk of the town' - but when it came down to it, he voted for Nerwen, not any of the people who had been discussing him. Boro, was there nothing in anyone's words - Rune's, Pitch's, mine, Zil's, we all commented on you or people's reactions to you - that was more worthy of a vote than 'she would make a dangerous wolf'?

No, you don't understand. Nerwen is terrifying.

I kid, of course. Nerwen is a bright soul and we love her.



Seriously though, Nerwen is terrifying.


x'd with the lady herself

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

No, you don't understand. Nerwen is terrifying.

I kid, of course. Nerwen is a bright soul and we love her.



Seriously though, Nerwen is terrifying.


x'd with the lady herself

Hey.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Boro, so you're saying you deliberately made yourself an easy target to see who would swallow the bait? If that's not a rationalisation ex post, it certainly makes sense-- as in, it makes your behaviour make sense where there didn't seemy to be any.

This. It's strange that there was no attempt to get an alternative bandwagon rolling and save Rune; if his packmate was absent this would explain that.

Indeed, just based on the voting, nobody seems a very likely packmate for Zil. It would, of course, be dangerous at this point to assume this puts those voted yesterDay in the clear- the early votes were very spread out, so possibly Rune's packmate did cast one of these, not guessing Rune would need rescuing.

EDIT: x'd since Pitch #75.

[Huinesoron]

As I said I would, I've looked at Pitch, and... I can't see anything that doesn't come over as genuine villager helpfulness. That's not to say I agree with everything, but it all seems to come from an innocent perspective.

There's also this, back in post 75:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

It's strange that there was no attempt to get an alternative bandwagon rolling and save Rune; if his packmate was absent this would explain that.

An absent second wolf makes a lot of sense.

hS

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Not quite getting this by the way - I don´t see how Rune´s fate was necessarily already sealed at the time of Sally´s vote, even though it was very close to deadline. Lets say a Sally-wolf is trying to save fellow-wolf Rune. Why not vote for Boro or Zil, (Nerwen would not be such a good bet as she had herself not voted at this point and would obv vote to save herself) hoping that one of Nerwen, Morsul or Shasta would also come in at deadline vote in this way? That would give Boro or Zil three votes, to Rune´s two.

Not to say that couldn't have happened, but with mere minutes to go, how likely was it that any of them would vote after not having showed up all Day?

[Boromir88]

I won't be very active today, working most of day to close out the new year but will be finished with 1 or 2 hours before DL to spare.

Already got 1, what's there to worry about? All Rune voters get a pass from my vote, at least today. Let's not complicate or overthink the fortuitous Day 1.

No one should overlook the part I played...yes I'm taking some credit, maybe like 5% of the credit, because it got Rune involved where his teeth and claws showed.

[Lalaith]

My prince is jumpy in a way that I don't currently like, but by my own rule above, lynching him on Day 1 is equally risky.

Who is Sally´s prince? I can´t remember...

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Who is Sally´s prince? I can´t remember...

That would be me.

[Nerwen]

Zil, Day One

#11
Banter.

#29.
Thinks Runewolf (#16) is "leaving an out in case you're called on it" [suspicion of Boro].

Suggests Huey as a nickname for Huinesoron.

Says of Boro: I'm going to look at his posts and read them backwards while listening to the White Album.

Says Pitch is "sensible", referring to #25, where Pitch thinks Huinesoron is "trying a bit too hard", and points out that aggressive wolf-hunting can be something for a wolf to hide behind. This, in turn, was a response to Huinesoron finding Boro suspicious for excessive banter.

Describes Huinesoron's defence of his tactics (#26) as "overreaction".


#37.
Banter.

Is against not voting Day One. Finds it "scary" that he agrees with Pitch "so much so early".

Thinks Huinesoron (#32) is "again, a little touchy".


#38. Replying to Runewolf #36.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I wouldn't vote him [Huinesoron] toDay just because of the First Game Pass. Doesn't seem sporting.

Huinesoron --> Rune (wolf).
Rune (wolf) --> Inziladun (ordo).
Boro --> Nerwen.
Pitch --> Boro.


#49. Finds Huinesoron's and Rune's suspicions of those they voted "forced". "Sympathizes" with Boro's apprehension of a hypothetical Nerwolf, but disagrees with this as a reason for voting.

#50.
Notes that there has been little or nothing from Morsul, Shasta, Sally or Lal.


Lal --> Sally.

#52.
Agrees with Lal on the danger of submarines.

#53. Will vote Boro or Rune.. Latter seems worse because of seemingly forced suspicions.

#54. Votes Rune (2).


Conclusion: Was probably killed largely because his particular rôle in lynching Runewolf would be hard to paint as either cobblerish or wolf-on-wolf. However, the joke about his intention to "look at [Boro's] posts and read them backwards while listening to the White Album" might have looked Seerish (assuming a jumpy wolf).

[Lalaith]

I too was wondering if the wolf went for Zil as Seer.
The vote for Rune looked prescient, of course, but the wolf could also have read the trusting of Pitch as a seerish knowledge of Pitch´s innocence. Which in turn looks good for Pitch...