Werewolf CXIII: Death at Deadmen's Dike - GAME THREAD

[Pitchwife]

Sorry folks, this trip took way longer than I hoped it would, due to the wrong kind of snow on the motorway. Catching up now.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Sorry folks, this trip took way longer than I hoped it would, due to the wrong kind of snow on the motorway. Catching up now.

Welcome.

I am afraid there isn't too much to catch up on, besides a few lyrical experiments.

[Pitchwife]

Well, there's not as much to catch up to as I had anticipated. Mostly IC banter, but so far nobody has even bothered to address the oliphaunt in the room -- what are we going to call Huinesoron? I'd suggest Hui (rhyming with Louie and Dewey), if that's acceptable.

Whatever, he's tried to stir some discussion with a playful challenge, which is a good thing. Nerwen and Lalaith have been in character so far, and our surprise creature Zil has come out as a kind of berserker raccoon; glad to have that cleared up.

I don't agree with Rune's assessment that

Boromir's posts are a good way of seeming active/productive, without offering anything in the form of actual progress

-- I mean, I see no attempt to even seem productive in Boro's posts so far, just fooling around. I say he's Moon Moon and acting extra goofy so as to alert the wolves to his role. Discuss!

EDIT: x-ed with everybody since my last one.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Well, there's not as much to catch up to as I had anticipated. Mostly IC banter, but so far nobody has even bothered to address the oliphaunt in the room -- what are we going to call Huinesoron? I'd suggest Hui (rhyming with Louie and Dewey), if that's acceptable.

I was thinking something along the lines of Huiny...but Hui probably works better.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I don't agree with Rune's assessment that
-- I mean, I see no attempt to even seem productive in Boro's posts so far, just fooling around. I say he's Moon Moon and acting extra goofy so as to alert the wolves to his role. Discuss!

EDIT: x-ed with everybody since my last one.

Admittedly it is a harsh assessment based on very little, but it is day 1 and we need to get the ball rolling. I find the Moon Moon theory quite plausible though.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

With no unusual dynamics that need to be discussed amongst our ragtag band this will be a vanilla Day 1.

What is a vanilla Day One to you? My premise was that a little bit of heat on people might shake something loose; I've managed to get reactions of one kind or another from you and Rune, which is what I was angling for. Those reactions are now available for everyone to look at and see if they find them suspicious.

A Day One which consists of everyone writing poems and then lynching entirely at random doesn't give any of that. I'm not saying that's what you wanted to happen - but if everyone had posted 'knowing they're not being productive' then that's exactly what we'd get.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

...so far nobody has even bothered to address the oliphaunt in the room -- what are we going to call Huinesoron? I'd suggest Hui (rhyming with Louie and Dewey), if that's acceptable.

I normally use the initialism hS (I throw it around as a signature when I remember), but have no problem adapting to a new nickname.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I don't agree with Rune's assessment that
-- I mean, I see no attempt to even seem productive in Boro's posts so far, just fooling around. I say he's Moon Moon and acting extra goofy so as to alert the wolves to his role. Discuss!

Now, if we were mortal Men looking for a depressed shoemaker, this would seem like a very odd suggestion (since Boro's behaviour wasn't exactly sowing confusion)... but this is Moon Moon we're discussing. A little excess foolishness to signal being the goofy canine is at least understandable as a plan.

hS, or whatever

(Crossed with everything since the Pitchwife post quoted.)

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

What is a vanilla Day One to you?

Not pretending to speak for Boro, but I suppose he meant Day One in a game with no special roles or rules adding extra game mechanics which need discussing, and in which the phantom isn't playing, hence no ingenious master plans to discuss either.

Originally Posted by the same

... and then there's having nothing at all to comment on 14 hours after day start, when you know you'll be gone 3-4 hours before deadline (gorcrows go to bed early, y'know). Visions of seeing nothing in Day One but some poetry were whirling around my head.

Thankfully, that hasn't happened. And if you think sparking off all these reactions is wolfy... well, then you're entitled to your opinion, I guess!

Sharing similar bedtime habits, I can empathise with your predicament. And sparking reactions and getting a discussion on the way is of course the right thing to do on Day 1. I didn't say it was wolfy, just that it isn't necessarily proof of innocence either.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I am inclined to agree with you. Boromir's posts are a good way of seeming active/productive, without offering anything in the form of actual progress. Though it probably seem worse than it actually is due to the lack of activity in general...

So Boro could be suspicious. But maybe not. Leaving an out in case you're called on it?

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

what are we going to call Huinesoron? I'd suggest Hui (rhyming with Louie and Dewey), if that's acceptable.

How 'bout just Huey then? He might not appreciate the alternate spelling.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I mean, I see no attempt to even seem productive in Boro's posts so far, just fooling around. I say he's Moon Moon and acting extra goofy so as to alert the wolves to his role. Discuss!

I'm going to look at his posts and read them backwards while listening to the White Album.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Whereas no wolf has ever hidden behind cries of "woe, murder, everybody start some serious wolf-hunting!", yes? There's being unproductive, and there's trying a bit too hard.

Sensible Pitch is sensible.

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

What is a vanilla Day One to you? My premise was that a little bit of heat on people might shake something loose; I've managed to get reactions of one kind or another from you and Rune, which is what I was angling for. Those reactions are now available for everyone to look at and see if they find them suspicious.

Overreaction, much?

x/d with Huey and Pitch

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I'm going to look at his posts and read them backwards while listening to the White Album.

I said he was Moon Moon, I didn't say he was Aleister Crowley.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Who's to say we HAVE to lynch anyone today?

"Just this once, everybody lives"? Please, not that again. A Day 2 with no lynch, no votes to analyse and draw conclusions from, how would that be different from your vanilla Day 1, and then? Rinse and repeat? I shouldn't even have to explain this, as I know you know that's how it works, so why are you even suggesting this? So you don't have to commit to anything?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Who's to say we HAVE to lynch anyone today?* Is a random vote for the goofiest one any different than a random vote for the most talkative? A random vote for the most absent?

A vote for someone who seemed to be using goofiness as a way to avoid discussion wouldn't be random. But see below.

A quick run-through of those who have posted, to gather my thoughts:

Rune - a bit over-eager to go after Boro, but that's mostly from one post. I'm mostly suspicious because he openly agreed with someone (me), which doesn't seem a safe thing to do in a village with wolves. Other posts haven't really added much, except a brief comment on the BoroMoon theory.

Nerwen - poetry only, nothing to go on.

Boro - lots of DayOneIshness, and a specific statement that:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Just trying to make it abundantly clear I will be actively participating, even if the only thing I could participate in was answering questions about rhymes with breeze and what we're hunting.

Pre-edit: Post 30 is a huge addition to the Boromiric Canon, but I have no idea what it indicates. I think he's dedicating himself to the role of The Goofiest Player, at least for Day One; this actually makes me think he's less likely to be a wolf, because that's a bold stance for an early-game member of a 2-person team. (He may still be MoonMoonIsh, though.)

Lalaith - Poetry only.

Zil - Only one post of substance, but it isn't afraid to point fingers. On the other hand, one of those fingers feels like it might be tagging onto Pitchwife's 'trying a bit too hard' comment - if Zil thought Pitch suspected me, then the 'Sensible Pitch' and 'Overreaction' combo in post 29 might be an attempt to cozy up to her (so to speak).

Pitch - seems really helpful. Has answered questions, offered theories, and commented on actions.

I think that's everyone?

At this point, Rune is probably the one I have least-weak suspicions against. He's up to... seven posts, I think, but they feel very sparse on actual hunting (much like he suggested Boro could be doing). The only real accusation is a spin-off and expansion of my own comment. If I had to vote now, I guess I'd vote for him.

hS/Hui/Huey/Huiny/Thorongil no wait...

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

if Zil thought Pitch suspected me, then the 'Sensible Pitch' and 'Overreaction' combo in post 29 might be an attempt to cozy up to her (so to speak).

To him, actually; male, German. Zil had a point though, and your response to my #25 struck me as a bit over-defensive too. Seems you like to poke people, but not so much to be poked in turn.

I see what you mean about Rune, he was a bit quick to agree without a good reason. He seems to be rather skimming the thread than digging in.

On the enigma of Boro, to be fair I've known him to be rather carefree on D1 even as an ordo. What worries me isn't so much his goofiness as his no-lynch-proposal, if it even was made in earnest - he knows better than that, but it would actually make sense for a cobbler who wants to avoid helping lynch a wolf by mistake.

Which would mean he's not our biggest concern for now -- if he's indeed Moon Moon we don't want to lynch him, since he counts as innocent.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

"Just this once, everybody lives"? Please, not that again. A Day 2 with no lynch, no votes to analyse and draw conclusions from, how would that be different from your vanilla Day 1, and then? Rinse and repeat? I shouldn't even have to explain this, as I know you know that's how it works, so why are you even suggesting this? So you don't have to commit to anything?

Nah, I think I'm just turning pacifist over the WW years...I cordially dislike Day 1 lynches, depriving a person from playing before they really had a chance to get going. Even though, you're right and it must be done, you can't make me not hate Day 1 lynches. (And you could make the argument well they've had 24 hours to do something if they choose to).

Maybe there's the time to delve into the ancient texts and see if a Day 1 lynching contributes to the overall success of the innocents, or if a Day 1 no-lynch actually is more beneficial to the wolves.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

To him, actually; male, German. Zil had a point though, and your response to my #25 struck me as a bit over-defensive too. Seems you like to poke people, but not so much to be poked in turn.

Apologies. And... probably! No-one likes to be poked, do they? Though I'm also just very talky, and liable to respond to anything that looks like it might be directed at me.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Maybe there's the time to delve into the ancient texts and see if a Day 1 lynching contributes to the overall success of the innocents, or if a Day 1 no-lynch actually is more beneficial to the wolves.

There's not. Not if you mean for this lynch. It's... well, late (for a gorcrow), and my understanding is that even one vote in play will cause a lynch. Since I feel that not voting during a lynch that actually happens is a bad idea, I intend to vote for Rune in about... 15 minutes unless I see 1) a good argument for no-lynch, 2) something from Rune that makes me reconsider, 3) a good argument for Rune's innocence, or 4) a good alternate candidate.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will have to vote soon, and even under the best of circumstances, I dislike a day 1 vote. I am never quite sure in my suspicions and second guess my self constantly. In a village as small as ours, I believe it would be counterproductive to vote for no-shows or people with very limited activity. We need a trail, we need something to analyze on for the days to come, and we need for everything to be out in the open so that here is no hiding. Even though it is grossly unfair that people can be rewarded for not participating, in my view it is the lesser of two evils.

As I write that would leave me with a list of possible lynch candidates that looks like this:

Inzil – Besides a typical day 1 starter Inzil has posted a single post which comments on some of the different statements made so far.
Boro – The main talking point of Day 1. Has acted differently than what I remember, but the more I read through the thread, the more I like Moon Moon idea originally presented by Pitch.
Pitch – Made a late entry, but has been productive and do not shy away from confrontation.
Huinesoron – By far the most interesting person in the village. Very active, if a little bit jumpy. Is this an Alpha that enjoys the spotlight (perhaps there is even an evil plan) or is it a very eager Ordo?

I would not want to vote for Huey, as I don’t know him, and I want to see where he takes this over the next few days.

This leaves Inzil, Boro and Pitch. I like style of Pitch, and I must admit that I am backtracking a bit on Boro. He is definitely having fun today, and I don’t remember him like this (Unlike Pitch). The most plausible explanation would be Moon Moon… Inzil hasn’t contributed much mostly poking fun or posting simple comments.

Edit: Cross Posted with Huinesoron

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Who calls themselves Moon Moon anyway? Someone who is obsessed with terrible rhyming, probably. Therefor it's probably Nerwen.

Definitely Nerwen. Isn't Moon Moon the town where she lives?

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I said he was Moon Moon, I didn't say he was Aleister Crowley.

Zing!

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

"Just this once, everybody lives"? Please, not that again. A Day 2 with no lynch, no votes to analyse and draw conclusions from, how would that be different from your vanilla Day 1, and then? Rinse and repeat? I shouldn't even have to explain this, as I know you know that's how it works, so why are you even suggesting this? So you don't have to commit to anything?

Yet again, sense. Back on the merry-go-round. Day 1 is pretty much always a crapshoot, barring some amazing, spectacular See-action, but not voting has always seemed to me more of a help to the baddies. It's scary that I agree with Pitch so much so early.

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

A vote for someone who seemed to be using goofiness as a way to avoid discussion wouldn't be random. But see below.

Again, a little touchy, this.

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Post 30 is a huge addition to the Boromiric Canon, but I have no idea what it indicates. I think he's dedicating himself to the role of The Goofiest Player, at least for Day One; this actually makes me think he's less likely to be a wolf, because that's a bold stance for an early-game member of a 2-person team. (He may still be MoonMoonIsh, though.)

I thought Goofiest Player was my job! Or maybe that was creepiest...

x/d with Huey and Rune

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I said he was Moon Moon, I didn't say he was Aleister Crowley.


"Just this once, everybody lives"? Please, not that again. A Day 2 with no lynch, no votes to analyse and draw conclusions from, how would that be different from your vanilla Day 1, and then? Rinse and repeat? I shouldn't even have to explain this, as I know you know that's how it works, so why are you even suggesting this? So you don't have to commit to anything?

This struck me as a bit much, on first read. Boro was fairly clearly roleplaying with that remark - at least, that's how I took it.

[Galadriel55]

I have to say I got a kick out of the Day 1 goofiness. Boro was a spectacular cobbler. It was hilarious to watch from the side how he was doing absolutely nothing except messing with people and preventing solid discussion.

And this was an extra bonus:

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I don't agree with Rune's assessment that
-- I mean, I see no attempt to even seem productive in Boro's posts so far, just fooling around. I say he's Moon Moon and acting extra goofy so as to alert the wolves to his role. Discuss!

But the weirdest thing is the village still managed to lynch a wolf despite an evil predominance on the game thread that whole Day.

And the next Day Shasta came and basically said "Pitch is a wolf, lynch that guy". Why do we even need a Seer?


You guys were fantastic! I'm really sorry I kept screwing up the deadline time. I hope everyone enjoyed nonetheless.

[Galadriel55]

Also, fun fact: initially I screwed up the roles and made 3 wolves out of habit and inattention instead of 2. The original team was Nerwen, Shasta, and HS. Just imagine what that would have been like!

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Also, fun fact: initially I screwed up the roles and made 3 wolves out of habit and inattention instead of 2. The original team was Nerwen, Shasta, and HS. Just imagine what that would have been like!

Total annihilation. *shudders at the thought*

This was a fun straightforward game, thanks to G55 for modding and for your crisp and funny narrations! Rune and I were originally concerned that the late deadline (4am for both of us) would be a strong disadvantage for us, but combined with the Rule of First it actually worked out in our favour, allowing me to mess with Huey's mind without too much interference. (I honestly think the Rule of First is a daft rule though -- the last in a tie should be considered the village's best-informed choice; that's just an observation though, no criticism of G55's modding.)

I've always dreaded being left as a lone wolf, the one time it happened before I was easily lynched (by Sally and Lottie IIRC), but since it happened early and nothing obvious linked me to Rune I found it surprisingly exhilarating to have nobody and nothing to worry about except avoiding the noose at Day and choosing my menu at Night - a bit like a Werebear, I guess, except I wasn't really on my own with a cobbler in the game.

Speaking of cobblers, I was semi-kidding with Boro as Moon Moon on D1 but when Huey thought it made sense I rolled with it, mainly to avoid going wolf-on-wolf against Rune and maybe to draw some of the votes away from him, as Shasta saw correctly. N2 I thought Huey might be the Seer, since he went after Rune so single-mindedly, and almost killed him (!) but thought he might be protected, so I went for Zil instead, which worked out well I think.

D2 I didn't think much about the cobbler, although I considered Lalaith a possible one for her lack of suspicions which looked a bit like she was wary of lynching a wolf by mistake. (Yes, dear, I know you were pressed for time, but I couldn't make excuses for juicy lynchbait, could I?) I might have gone after Sally, but here comes Morsul and bang, he's the Seer! Fun fact: I really voted Lal to save Nerwen because of the Eye thing, thinking to maybe build a defense from that the next Day, but the village decided to be helpful and lynch their Ranger. That was just dumb luck.

D3 I became quite convinced that Huey was my cobbler and enjoyed quoting his declarations of my innocence to my wife. Sorry, Huey - I've played an involuntary cobbler more than once as an ordo, it can happen. I might have been in for a nasty surprise this morning, but Boro's vote and his comment on it on it tipped me off that I had been right about him after all!

Boro, I'm curious - who did you think the remaining wolf was before toDay?

Everybody - it was a pleasure to play with you again after so long! I've missed this.