* An unofficial New Silmarillion Outline *

[Findegil]

These '* * *' are sub-divisions of a chapter without a title. If nothing is written behind them, they occure in the original text. Some other are included, when the title is unuseable as in the case of the additions from Lost Road.

Respectfully
Findegil

[gondowe]

Oh my God, this is very much for me. Since the last time I could pass for this forum it was an overwhelming amount of new discussions that I have no time to review.
Hello to the old and eternal discussers, specially Findegil and the new ones.
I only would want to ask ArcusCalion that if read my old post about my project in Spanish http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=15248 only to consider my structure of the entire project.
In the post 58, that I edited right now with minor changes, is perfectly stated.
And a remembering for the old discussers for it could be helpful.
The pity for this forum is that is written in Spanish but with the published material we have now, is absolutely finished (for me). Many time I had not work on it because there were no published material worthy to add (Parma Eldalamberon).
Greetings.

[ArcusCalion]

I've seen your post before gondowe and I was very impressed that you managed to do the entire thing on your own, translating it into Spanish no less! I see why you made the outline you did, but I don't know that I would have made all the same choices. However, it is a very thorough structure, and I commend you on it! My boyfriend is from Ecuador, and I am trying to learn Spanish to get closer to his mother, so I would love to take a look at the finished work to see if I can read it!

[Aiwendil]

Hi Gondowe! Good to see you.

The amount of work done by Findegil and ArcusCalion is a bit overwhelming for me as well, as I was away from the forum for a few months while it was going on! If you'd like to stay involved, we've been working on chapters 1 and 2 recently.

[ArcusCalion]

Aiwendil, I was wondering, now that we have finished the first 3 chapters, are we going to continue in order? or should we get the easier chapters done quickly? I personally am inclined to the latter. If you agree, I would say we should do them thus:

1) Of Thingol and Melian
2) Of the Sindar
3) Of the Founding of Nargothrond and Gondolin
4) Of Beleriand and its Realms
5) Of the Noldor in Beleriand
6) Of Turgon and the Building of Gondolin
7) Of Maeglin
8) Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth

This concludes the easiest chapters with the least debate between Fin and me. I believe these will not present many difficulties and would be fairly easy to get through quickly. The next block would be:

9) Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie
10) Of the Flight of the Noldor
11) Of the Coming of the Noldor
12) Of the {Naugrim and the} Edain

These chapters are sightly more complex, with more additions from other places. However, they are all rather straightforward additions, with little contest. The last block is:

13) Of the Coming of the Elves
14) Of the Darkening of Valinor (all parts including Thieves' Quarrel)
15) Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
16) Of Men

These last chapters represent the most difficult to create, with the Orcs material for 13, the Shibboleth material for 14, the LT and MT material for 15, and the LT material for 16. Of all of these, 15 will no doubt be the most complex, as it is the longest and has the most additions from the most various sources.

Thoughts?

[Aiwendil]

I had been planning to continue in order, but I'm not committed to that. I'm fine with doing some easier chapters first.

I don't think we're done with chapter 3 yet, though. I'm working through it right now and will have some comments on the current draft soon.

[Findegil]

I agree with Aiwendil that we are not done with chapter 3. We did not discuss much there, because we were occupied with the discussions of chapter 1 and 2. But we did as yet not agree on many points raised by Aiwendil.

As fort he time when chapter 3 is done, I am also not committed to any special order. My first idea was as Aiwendil’s to continue in order. Second thought was just contrary to ArcusCalions to use the momentum we have in the moment and tackle first done the most critical once which would mean probably to start with Of the Darkening of Valinor, specially since some of our decision taken in chapters 1 and 3 would have some bearings on that chapter. But as already said, I am not fix on any of this, and we can go with ArcusCalion’s order as well.

Respectfully
Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

Originally Posted by ArcusCalion

Aiwendil, I was wondering, now that we have finished the first 3 chapters, are we going to continue in order? or should we get the easier chapters done quickly? I personally am inclined to the latter. If you agree, I would say we should do them thus:

1) Of Thingol and Melian
2) Of the Sindar
3) Of the Founding of Nargothrond and Gondolin
4) Of Beleriand and its Realms
5) Of the Noldor in Beleriand
6) Of Turgon and the Building of Gondolin
7) Of Maeglin
8) Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth

This concludes the easiest chapters with the least debate between Fin and me. I believe these will not present many difficulties and would be fairly easy to get through quickly. The next block would be:

9) Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie
10) Of the Flight of the Noldor
11) Of the Coming of the Noldor
12) Of the {Naugrim and the} Edain

These chapters are sightly more complex, with more additions from other places. However, they are all rather straightforward additions, with little contest. The last block is:

13) Of the Coming of the Elves
14) Of the Darkening of Valinor (all parts including Thieves' Quarrel)
15) Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
16) Of Men

These last chapters represent the most difficult to create, with the Orcs material for 13, the Shibboleth material for 14, the LT and MT material for 15, and the LT material for 16. Of all of these, 15 will no doubt be the most complex, as it is the longest and has the most additions from the most various sources.

Thoughts?

Aiwendil, this is my previous post about the order of chapters. Even if we do not do them in this order, this is effectively their grouping by difficulty, so you can choose which you'd like to do next.

[ArcusCalion]

Aiwendil, is there any update as to the status of your review of our drafts?