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Old 10-09-2017, 03:05 PM   #1
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M-18: not that it matters for thisa thread, but why would you not change the LC? Would you leave it thjere for the reader to use to infer that Eol must be related to Turgon?
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Old 10-09-2017, 03:19 PM   #2
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I am a 'combiner' as long as solution is thinkable, there is no contradiction and with that no need for a change.

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Old 10-09-2017, 03:20 PM   #3
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Old 10-16-2023, 10:40 AM   #4
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Following from my post about Eol's heritage in another forum - is the following excerpt about Eol being one of those Teleri that stopped at the sight of the Misty Mountains (i.e. the Nandor) contradictory to Tolkien's later note to that passage and Eol's implied kinship with Thingol?

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To the passage "But Eöl... was no Dwarf, but a tall Elf of a high kin of the Teleri" my father wrote on the manuscript A (only) a note beginning with the words "Not in revision" - which probably means that what follows is not in the corrections made to the copies of the typescript ('the revision'). In this note my father was copying a very faint and illegible form of it on the same page, and trying to interpret his own writing; I give it exactly as it stands:

"Eöl should not be one of Thingol's kin, but one of the Teleri who refused to cross the Hithaeglir. But [later] he and a few others of like mood, averse to concourse of people, ... [had] crossed the [Mts] long ago and come to Beleriand."

Against this note he wrote "but the relationship to Thingol would have point", and the date 1971.
- The War of the Jewels, 'Maeglin', §9, p. 322
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Old 10-17-2023, 04:50 AM   #5
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For me at least, Eöl could be one of the Elves that stayed back in the Vale of Anduin and still be a near kin to Thingol.

For me the first note seperates him from the Sindar and from Thingol, but the later note rebinds him to Thingol. Since the kinship to Thingol does not contradict a staying behind in the vale of Anduin, he is for me a Elf akin to Thingol and thus member of the third clan. He stayed behind in the Vale of Anduin, but did not stay there until Denethor led the Nandor to the South (and ultimatly through Eriador into Eastern Beleriand) but crosse the Mountians and came into Beleriand earlier than Denethor and the Nandor. Since he settled in Nan Elmoth we can farther fix the time of Eöl movement as being between the return of Thingol with the establishment of his ruler ship in Beleriand and the arival of the Nandor.

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