12 Of the Flight of the Noldor

[ArcusCalion]

I have found two more additions from the Shibboleth of Feanor:

In the first part, after the hosts depart from Tirion:

.... Slower and less eagerly came the host of Fingolfin after them. FoN-EX-07.5 <SF {Fëanor was deprived of the leadership, and the}The greater part of the Noldor who forsook Valinor marched under the command of Fingolfin, the eldest son of Indis. Fingolfin was his father’s son, tall, dark, and proud, as were most of the Noldor, and in the end in spite of the enmity between him and Fëanor he joined with full will in the rebellion and the exile, though he continued to claim the kingship of all the Noldor.> Of these Fingon ....

and at the very last paragraph:

.... and by {Inglor}[Finrod] and Galadriel the valiant and fair, they dared to pass into the untrodden North, and finding no other way they endured at last the terror of the {Helkaraxë}[Helcaraxë] and the cruel hills of ice. FoN-EX-28.5 <SF {and once she}Once Galadriel had set foot upon that road of exile, she would not relent, but rejected the last message of the Valar, and came under the Doom of Mandos. Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defense of her mother’s kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Fëanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could.> Few of the deeds of the Noldor ....

The first gives some more contxt to the kingship debate of Fingolfin and Feanor, and the latter gives more of Galadriel's motivations in coming to Middle-earth after the Kinslaying.

[ArcusCalion]

Here's a brief thought i had. If we were to include Tolkien's unfinished Flight of the Noldor poem, we should do so in this chapter. Should we do so?

[Findegil]

FoN-LQ-02 and FoN-LQ-04: Agreed I forgot to introduce the general change.

FoN-EX-02: Okay for me.

FoN-EX-05: Well no other member of the House of Finarfin or his following were involved in the fight at Aqualondë. Beside Feanor and his people only the vanguard of the people of Fingolfin how were the second in the march colon took part in the fight. If Galadriel left Tiriron with her father and brethren than she would not have seen anything of the action, only the final result. Therefore it is no question that she did depart from Tirion on her own. Bu t we might debate if it is necessary to point that out explicitly.

FoN-EX-18: Agreed.

FoN-EX-20: It is either Arakano/Argon or we have to leave out all princes. As for using Argon, I have already said that the Shibboleth tells that the character was himself never known under that name, so I don’t think we can use it to address him.

FoN-EX-07.5: Nice find, I agree to take it up. But I observed that we might change after that insert Fingon to Arakáno/Argon in correspondence to FoN-EX-20 and his description in the SF as the most impetuous of the brethren. I will call that change FoN-EX-07.6

FoN-EX-28.5: Nice find, but I think this would be better placed earlier:

§156 But in that hour {Finrod}[Finarfin] forsook the march, and turned back, being filled with grief, and with bitterness against the house of Fëanor, because of his kinship with Olwë of Alqualondë; and many of his people went with him, retracing their steps in sorrow, until they beheld once more the far beam of the Mindon upon Túna still shining in the night, and so came at last to Valinor. There they received the pardon of the Valar, and {Finrod}[Finarfin] was set to rule the remnant of the Noldor in the Blessed Realm. But his FoN-EX-22.5 {sons}[children] were not with him, for <SF {and once she}once Galadriel had set foot upon that road of exile, she would not relent, but rejected the last message of the Valar, and came under the Doom of Mandos. Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defense of her mother’s kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Fëanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could.> {they}And Finrafin’s sons would not forsake the sons of Fingolfin; and all Fingolfin's folk went forward still, feeling the constraint of their kinship and the will of Fëanor, and fearing to face the doom of the {gods}[Valar], since not all of them had been guiltless of the kinslaying at Alqualondë. Moreover Fingon and Turgon FoN-EX-23 <LQ , though they had no part in that deed,> were bold and fiery of heart and loath to abandon any task to which they had put their hands until the bitter end, if bitter it must be. So the main host held on, and swiftly the evil that was forespoken began its work.

The Flight of the Noldoli from Valinor: You are right that if we want to include the poem or parts of it then here is the place. When I made my draft, I considered the poem not worth the effort without re-reading it. The texts I used are much later then the poem. And we do not prefer poem against prosa. I have now re-read the poem but think still that the younger texts are not in anyway less detailed. And the integration of the poem seems very difficult to me.

Respecfully
Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

FoN-EX-05: I see this logic, and I agree, but I still feel that such an addition is not warranted, and probably breaks the rules of the project. If we say nothing, it can be assumed by the reader without much difficulty.

FoN-EX-20: I agree to use Argon for the instance, but I am still unsure about the name. I suppose it would be good to have Aiwendil or gandalf to comment on this one.

FoN-EX-7.6: Sounds good to me.

FoN-EX-28.5: This is much better, you're right!

Poem: Yes, you are right. We can simply include it in the poem section in Volume III.

[ArcusCalion]

Just found this while editing Q&E:

as the mists of Araman wrapped the distant mountains of Valinor from the sight of the Noldor, Fëanor raised his hands in token of rejection and cried: 'I go. Neither in light or shadow will I look upon you again, Dahanigwishtilgūn.' So it was recorded, though the writers of the histories no longer knew what he meant. For which reason the strange word may have been ill transmitted. But even so it still bears some likeness to Taniquetil

I think this should be added in right after the last paragraph before the subheading "Of the First Kin-Slaying of the Noldor"

FoN-EX-07.7 <Q&E {as}As the mists of Araman wrapped the distant mountains of Valinor from the sight of the Noldor, Fëanor raised his hands in token of rejection and cried: 'I go. Neither in light or shadow will I look upon you again, Dahanigwishtilgūn.' FoN-EX-07.8 [Footnote: So it was recorded, though the writers of the histories no longer knew what he meant. For which reason the strange word may have been ill transmitted. But even so it still bears some likeness to Taniquetil.]>

[gondowe]

I had inserted before hhe cross the sea with the ships in the north of araman. And directly change the word for Taniquetil.
Greetings

[Findegil]

To change teh word to Taniquetil is to much of a liberty for me, but I like to the idea of taking this up. But the position where to put it must be discussed.

I don't think that even without mist the Taniquetil could be seen from northern Araman where the Noldor halted and debated and from where Feanor took the ships to cross Belegar. So I do not see that gondowe's positioning of the passage is possible.

I find ArcusCalion's positioning more probalbe, but I would postpone it a view more sentences. As already mentioned for the passage to work the Taniquetil must have been at least in clear weather conditions to be viewable from the geographic point reached by Faenor at that time. As long as he is within Calacirya, I don't think he could see the summit at all, being to near to the cheer walls at the foot of the mountian. Reaching Aqualondë could also be to late since the northern branch of the Pelori probably would block the view. So I think he must be on the northern coast of the Bay of Eldamar. Therefore I would position it as follwos:

§144 Now Fëanor led the Noldor northward, because his first purpose was to follow Morgoth. Moreover, Túna beneath Taniquetil was set nigh to the girdle of Arda, and there the Great Sea was immeasurably wide, whereas ever northward the sundering seas grew narrower, as the waste-land of Araman and the coasts of Middle-earth drew together. FoN-EX-07.7 <Q&E {Most significant, they cite from an ancient legend of the flight the tale that as}As the mists of Araman wrapped the distant mountains of Valinor from the sight of the Noldor, Fëanor raised his hands in token of rejection and cried: 'I go. Neither in light or shadow will I look upon you again, Dahanigwishtilgūn.' So it was recorded, though the writers of the histories no longer knew what he meant. For which reason the strange word may have been ill transmitted. But even so it still bears some likeness to Taniquetil though it can no longer be analysed. (In a few versions, say the Loremasters, it was written dāhanigwiš-telgūn.) >But the hosts had not gone far, ere it came to the mind of Fëanor, over late, that all these great companies, both of the full-grown and war-high and many others, and great store of goods withal, would never overcome the long leagues to the North, nor cross the seas at the last, save with the aid of ships.

I think creating a footnote her is no possibility. Either we take it as it is or we leave it out. And I am inclined to use the alternative reading as well.

Respectfully
Findegil