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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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As usual, we can find interesting information, if not answers, in "Myths Transformed". In part (iii) of 'Notes on motives in the Silmarillion', Professor Tolkien defines the Void as "a conception of the state of Not-being, outside Creation or Eä":
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I say this as someone who has always imaged Melkor striding about in the darkness looking for something he cannot find. If the Void is 'the state of Not-being', and as we know it is timeless ("the Timeless Void"), then I suspect its existence is more conceptual than physical - separation from Eru and the Flame Imperishable. I also suspect that it might be something arguably metaphysical because the Void is nothingness. There is nothingness (the Void) and there is "thingness" (Eru, the Timeless Halls and Eä).
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I always imagined Melkor the same striding around an infinite black nothingness looking for a fire he could not find. It's easier to imagine that than it is to imagine it metaphysically.
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Which is kind of the point, right?
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It might also be worth pointing out that it's unclear which "Void" Morgoth was cast into at the end of the First Age.
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Ainuldinalë also implies that the Void has spatial dimensions: Quote:
I really think that to a degree the Void is beyond human comprehension...
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Men were creatures of Eä. The Void, whether a physical or spiritual realm, would seem to be not of the material universe, as it was a negative of 'the World That Is'. As the mortal cannot comprehend the eternal, the 'real' lacks a capacity to understand the 'unreal'. Lunchtime philosophy 101.
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Wight
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On a related cosmological note are there other worlds in Ea?
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Possibly, I would say. Why would Eru be in any way limited in creative power? But if those other world existed, none but their Creator could know.
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