Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor

[ArcusCalion]

SM-EX-11.7: I would think it is, as the recapturing is not implied (it seems to me) and instead feels like two very different accounts being mushed together. I know we do not change for reasons of style, but in this case the attempted narrative is not clear (at least when I read it).

[Findegil]

SM-EX-11.7: Okay, how do you find this:

… But Melkor would make it a time of peril unseen, of fear without form, an uneasy vigil; or a haunted dream, leading through despair to the shadow of Death.>
SM-EX-11.6 <MT; 2 Outline The Sun remained a Lonely Fire, polluted by Melkor, but after the death of the Two Trees}Then Tilion returned to the Moon, SM-EX-11.65 /and drove of the/ SM-EX-11.7 <AAm {Then he assailed Tilion, sending} spirits of shadow that Morogth had send against him{, and there was strife in Ilmen beneath the paths of the stars, and}[u]. And so[/b] Tilion was the victor: as he ever yet hath been, though still the pursuing darkness overtakes him at whiles.> {which}[u]The Moon[/b] remained therefore an enemy of Melkor and his servants and creatures of night — and so[u] was[/b] beloved of Elves later{ &c}.>
SM-EX-11.8<AAm §180 But seeing the assault upon SM-EX-11.85<Árië and> Tilion the Valar were in doubt, …

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Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

This is perfect.

[Findegil]

A few additions froum LT found while working on my draft for The Flight of the Noldor:

… Thus they held vigil in the night of Valinor, and their thought passed back beyond Eä and forth to the End; yet neither power nor wisdom assuaged their grief, and the knowing of evil in the hour of its being. SM-EX-01.1 <LT Now came that grievous news to the {Gods}[Valar] and the other Elves, and at first none believed. Nonetheless the tidings came still unto them, and by many different messengers. Some were of the SM-EX-01.2 Teleri, who had heard the speech of Feanor in the square of {Kor}[Tirion] and had seen the {Noldoli}[Noldor] SM-EX-01.3 prepair to depart thence with all the goods they might convey.> {Neither}Now did {they}Valar mourn more for the death of the Trees than for the marring of Fëanor: of all Melkor’s works the most wicked.

… Thus, even as Eru spoke to us, shall beauty not before conceived be brought into Eä, and evil yet be good to have been.'
'And yet remain evil,' quoth Mandos. 'To me shall Fëanor come soon.'>
SM-EX-01.4 <LT {others}Other messengers were of the {Solosimpi}[Teleri], and these brought the dire tidings of the swanships' rape and the dread kinslaughter of the Haven, and the blood that lay on the white shores of {Alqalunte}[Aqualondë].
Lastly came some hotfoot from Mandos who had gazed upon that sad throng nigh the strands of {Amnor}[Araman], and the {Gods}[Valar] knew that the {Gnomes}[Noldor] were far abroad, and Varda and all the Elves wept, for now seemed the darkness black indeed and that more than the outward light of the fair Trees was slain.>
SM-EX-01.5 <LT Ulmo alone came not to the Trees, but went down to the beach of Eldamar, and there he stood gazing into the gloom far out to sea, and he called often with his most mighty voice as though he would draw back those truants to the bosom of the {Gods}[Valar], and whiles he played deep longing music on his {magic}[enchanted] conches, and to him alone, lest it be Varda lady of the stars, was the going of the {Gnomes}[Noldor] a greater grief than even the ruin of the Trees. Aforetime had Ulmo loved the {Solosimpi}[Teleri] very dearly, yet when he heard of their slaughter by the {Gnomes}[Noldor] he grieved indeed but anger hardened not his
heart, for Ulmo was foreknowing more than all the {Gods}[Valar], even than great Manwë, and perchance he saw many of the things that should spring from that flight and the dread pains of the unhappy {Noldoli}[Noldor] in the world, and the anguish wherewith they would expiate the blood of {Kopas}[Aqualondë], and he would that it need not be.>
SM-EX-01.6 <LT Strange is to tell that albeit Aule had loved the {Noldoli}[Noldor] above all the Elves and had taught them all they knew and given them great stores of wealth, now was his heart most turned against them, for he deemed them ingrate in that they had bidden him no farewell, and for their ill deeds among the {Solosimpi}[Teleri] he was grieved to the heart. "Speak not," said he, "the name of the {Noldoli}[Noldor] ever again unto me," and albeit he gave still his love to those few faithful {Gnomes}[Noldor] who remained still SM-EX-01.7{ about his halls}, yet did he name them thereafter "Eldar".
But the {Teleri}[Vanyar] and the {Solosimpi}[Teleri] having wept at first, when the onslaught of the Haven became known to all dried their tears and horror and anguish held their hearts, and they too spake seldom of the {Noldoli}[Noldor], save sadly or in whispers behind closed doors; and those few of the {Noldoli}[Noldor] that remained behind were named the Aulenosse or kindred of Aule, or were taken into the other kindreds, and the {Gnome-folk}[Noldor] {have}had no SM-EX-01.8{place or }name remaining now in all Valinor.> SM-EX-02 <LT Suddenly there {is}was a sound of wings in that place, for {Sorontur}[Sorontar] King of Eagles {is}was come again on strong wings through the dusk, …

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Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

I actually do not agree with the messengers from the Teleri and from Mandos. In the FoN chapter, Manwe sends heralds to Feanor before he departs, and at this point even the Doom of the Noldor has been spoke. Thus, the Valar already knew that the Noldor had departed, but not that they had come into Middle-earth. This is why I only added the Sorontar bit. In addition, I disagree with the bits about the Noldor being absorbed into other kindreds. It is contradicted in the Hiding of Valinor bit where it says that the remainder of the Noldor held the pass of the Calacirya, and in the War of Wrath when it says the Noldor of Valinor marched under the banner of Finarfin. The other bits about Ulmo and Aule are good, however.

[Findegil]

ArcusCalion worte:

In the FoN chapter, Manwe sends heralds to Feanor before he departs, and at this point even the Doom of the Noldor has been spoke...

That is why I introduced change SM-EX-01.3. Therefore these messengers from the Teleri trigger Manwë to send his herald. And at this point the doom of the Noldor was not jet spoken, because the over next § gives Manwë's reaction to the answere Feanor gave to the Herald of Manwë at the departure from Tirion. See the bit of 'deeds to live in song forever'.

As the chapter stands, it always was a jump back in time and to a diffrent place of 'action'.

So the next message to reach the Valar is the kinslaying. And then the messenger from Mandos.

ArcusCalion worte:

I disagree with the bits about the Noldor being absorbed into other kindreds.

I do not see the contradiction. The key word is 'or' between the renaming to Aulenosse and the taken into the other kindreds. That means that the Aulenosse remain folk and can by us as Valinor external scribs be named Noldor and used in the role of watchers in the Calacirya.

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Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

I see I was wrong about the first, but the second set of messengers is still problematic, as there is no mention made of the giving of the Doom of Mandos.S Should we just accept that as a problem with the time-jump? In addition, if we accept the second, then we must change all further references of the Noldor in Valinor to "Aulenosse." Also, where would Finarfin's group fit under this?