The Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin

[Findegil]

Meril was removed because she was not named in the later Note on the parentage of Gil-galad. That Orodreth who loved the Mountians (supposedly that of Dorthonion) and had an Sindarin wife, would find that wife in Dorthonion is one thing, but to shift a name from the wife of Finrod to that of Orodreth is as nother kettle of fish.

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Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

As we discussed in the Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie chapter, I will add the bit from the Shibboleth in here:

RB-DF-07 <GA Now Rochallor had stayed beside the king until the end, but the wolves of Angband assailed him, and he escaped from them because of his great swiftness, and ran at last to Hithlum, and broke his heart and died. RB-DF-07.1 <Shibboleth The Noldor then became divided into separate kingships under Fingon son of Fingolfin, Turgon his younger brother, Maedros son of Fëanor, and Finrod son of {Arfin}[Finarfin]; and the following of Finrod had become the greatest.> Then in great sorrow Fingon ....

[Findegil]

I would edit this a bit diffrent:

§148 RB-DF-07 <GA Now Rochallor had stayed beside the king until the end, but the wolves of Angband assailed him, and he escaped from them because of his great swiftness, and ran at last to Hithlum, and broke his heart and died. Then in great sorrow Fingon took the lordship of the house of Fingolfin and the kingdom of the Noldor[ in Hithlum]> {There was lamentation in Hithlum when the fall of Fingolfin became known; but Fingon took the kingship of the Noldor}, and he maintained still his realm behind the Shadowy Mountains in the North. RB-DF-07.1<Shibboleth The Noldor then became divided into separate kingships under Fingon son of Fingolfin, Turgon his younger brother, Maedros son of Fëanor, and Finrod son of {Arfin}[Finarfin]; and the following of Finrod had become the greatest.<editorial addition based on Shibboleth At this time Finrod added the prefix fin- to the name of his father Arfin following the example of Fingolfin.
>> But beyond Hithlum Morgoth pursued his foes relentlessly, ...

I know that this more risky, but I think we need to explain this prefix.

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Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

I agree, this is better.

[Arvegil145]

I think it should be mentioned somewhere in 'Of the Swarthy Men' that the Folk of Uldor settled in Thargelion (BTW, 'Thargelion' should be changed to 'Thargelian' as per 1970 'Maeglin' text - 'Talath Rhunen' and 'Dor Caranthir' are just other names for the region, not mutually exclusive).

This comes from the 'North-east' section of the map of Beleriand in The War of the Jewels, 'Of Beleriand and Its Realms', p. 183.

[Findegil]

We do already mention that 'The sons of Ulfang the Black were Ulfast and Ulwarth and Uldor the Accursed; and they followed Caranthir and swore allegiance to him ...' I don't think that in addition we would need a direct statment that they settled in Dor Caranthir.

BTW Thargelion and Thargelain are not to be used as the River is now named Duin Daer.

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Findegil

[Arvegil145]

Originally Posted by Findegil

We do already mention that 'The sons of Ulfang the Black were Ulfast and Ulwarth and Uldor the Accursed; and they followed Caranthir and swore allegiance to him ...' I don't think that in addition we would need a direct statment that they settled in Dor Caranthir.

BTW Thargelion and Thargelain are not to be used as the River is now named Duin Daer.

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Findegil

First point - yes, folk of Uldor followed Caranthir, but that doesn't necessarily mean they settled on his land: for example, a lot of the Easterlings settled in Lothlann (which I don't think is under anyone's direct rule).

Second - the name 'Thargelian' (and 'Thorewilan') appear in the same text as 'Duin Daer' ('Maeglin', pp. 336-7): it seems that the element '-gelian' at this point in time started to refer to the Sindarized form of the river's Dwarven name ('Gabilan').