Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Living Thread

[Mithalwen]

They did have a habit of looking fishy. Amazing how death clears the mind. Aatounded Lal wasman ordo though.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Aatounded Lal wasman ordo though.

Truly, truly astounded.

[Brinniel]

*Phew*

So glad I can breathe again! Last Night was rather intense. We knew we had to finally get our wolf pick right, because by the end of Day 5, none of us were looking exactly innocent and this Night could make it or break it.

Btw, we considered turning Eomer every Night since Night 3, but until last Night, we always ended up choosing someone else instead. Next time, I'll have to remember to pick him first.

For the record, our picks were:

Night 1
Wolf pick: Brinn

Night 2
Wolf pick: Loslote - We picked her because we thought if she were lynched in the next couple Days, the village would be less likely to link her to us. But alas, the GW picked her too and our choices were canceled out.
Kill: Morsul - We figured his death wouldn't have much impact on the village and he would be better to cause some chaos in the Dead Thread.

Night 3
Wolf pick: Sally - After crossing paths with the GW the previous Night, we just really wanted a successful wolf conversion. And we figured it was unlikely she was picked by the GW or protected.
Kill: Lommy - We hoped her death would cause a little confusion and villagers may search for a trail that didn't exist. And maybe if we were lucky, she was also gifted.

Night 4
Wolf pick: Shasta - We picked him for several reasons: We thought it may be unexpected if all three submarines were wolves and hoped since he hadn't been around much, that the GW wouldn't pick him. Also, his psychic powers were starting to come into play and we figured it would be better to have him on our team. We were informed that the conversion failed, though it wasn't clear if it was because he was protected or already gifted.
Kill: Mithalwen - We decided to go with a safer kill on this Night. And generally no one seemed to suspect her.

Night 5
Wolf pick: Eonwe - After another failure, we decided to take a different strategy and go with a riskier pick rather than a safe one. Since both Sally and I were gunning against him the previous Day, should the game continue another Day, we thought as a wolf, we could throw him under the bus and look less suspicious for doing so. In previous Nights, we did avoid him thinking he was an obvious pick for the GW, but by Night 5 we hoped the GW would assume the same thing and not pick him, and it seemed highly unlikely he'd be chosen that Night. We gambled and unfortunately we were wrong. Boy, was that infuriating...
Kill: Nogrod - We killed him for the full intention of causing some chaos. Considering he could be easy lynch fodder, no one would expect a Nog death (and no way he'd be ranger protected). If we continued into the next Day, we hoped the village would be distracted by trying to figure out why he died.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Night 2
Wolf pick: Loslote - We picked her because we thought if she were lynched in the next couple Days, the village would be less likely to link her to us. But alas, the GW picked her too and our choices were canceled out.

Haha! I assume the GW picked me as a hunter or a visitor? Yeah, the number one thing that I can consistently be depended on to do is die, quickly and vehemently.

[Brinniel]

I must thank my comrades for a great game and exciting victory.

Legate made for a wise and great evil overlord (with democratic tendencies). I enjoyed being evil with him from the start and bouncing ideas back and forth.

And of course, Sally is always fun to werewolf with. (I also loved our reactionary OMG texts we sent to each upon the end of Day 5.)

[Brinniel]

And props to Team GW for a great performance!

We were wary of Nerwen as the possible GW for awhile and though we finally concluded last Night she most likely was, we were never completely sure.

We knew last Night that either Shasta or Eonwe were gifted, though I did not expect it to be both of them. Shasta, you amaze me with your accuracy.

I know the odds looked like they were on the Evil Side's favor for the last couple Days, but it could've so easily gone either way. Team GW was quite effective in blocking our wolf picks, which kept our pack small. And by the end of Day 5, we knew they were onto us. Both picks last Night were very tough to make and it felt something like Russian Roulette. We really lucked out with picking Eomer, because had that pick failed, all three of us would've been flailing into Day 6 for what might have been a slow and painful loss.

[Brinniel]

And I saw somewhere in the Dead Thread that someone guessed the EW's strategy would be to stay quiet and let the wolves make some noise...but we actually found the opposite to work best. It wasn't intentional at first (Legate is naturally a louder player and I'm quieter), we were happy to keep the focus on Legate because while lynching him wouldn't be ideal, it's better than a wolf death and it would give us one more Night for a conversion before a challenge could occur. And of course on the last Night, we kept our fingers crossed that the focus on Legate would prompt the GW to select him as the visitor who leaves rather than a wolf.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Woohoo! Or, mwahahahaha. (Finally don't need to hide my true colours.)

Brinniel already said all the important stuff, basically. I spent the last Night tearing my hair off how to make sure our pick doesn't get canceled by the GW again, because that was what everything depended on.

That said, to my arch-nemesis Nerwen and all the other Gifteds, really a good play. *bows* Bonus points to Shasta who was, once again, psychic. (Like what is it - first one post per day, then: "Legate is evil." Next: "And Brinn and Sally probably too.") Like I told my packmates last Night in my moment of deepest doubt: "If we lose, then we can take pride in not losing to any losers."

It was a fabulous game in any case; and thank you Kuru for orchestrating it (plus I really like "my" video )

BUT with all the praise for my opponents, who I still have to praise the most were my Wolfy minions, who faithfully accompanied me throughout the entire game when we couldn't for the life of us get a third Wolf. But we had a blast, and it was amazing to play with you both! Thank you for a memorable experience!

[Nerwen]

Night 5
Wolf pick: Eonwe - After another failure, we decided to take a different strategy and go with a riskier pick rather than a safe one. Since both Sally and I were gunning against him the previous Day, should the game continue another Day, we thought as a wolf, we could throw him under the bus and look less suspicious for doing so. In previous Nights, we did avoid him thinking he was an obvious pick for the GW, but by Night 5 we hoped the GW would assume the same thing and not pick him, and it seemed highly unlikely he'd be chosen that Night. We gambled and unfortunately we were wrong. Boy, was that infuriating...

So that's who it was. I knew you had to have picked one of them.

Kill: Nogrod - We killed him for the full intention of causing some chaos. Considering he could be easy lynch fodder, no one would expect a Nog death (and no way he'd be ranger protected). If we continued into the next Day, we hoped the village would be distracted by trying to figure out why he died.

Yes, I noted Legate's frustration that that this wasn't happening...

[Thinlómien]

Well, anyone who's read the Dead Thread knows I got mercilessly confused by the end of the last Day...

...but I'm quite glad my top suspects were Legate, Brinn and Nerwen. Less glad that I decided Nerwen was the most suspicious of them all.

But well played, both teams! It looks like it was quite a battled beneath the surface, of course us (dead) ordos were entirely clueless of it all until yesterDay when Kuru hinted that the game has been "quite a chess match" so far.

Thanks for modding, Kuru! The narrations were hilarious and I especially appreciate you always being there to clarify rules, as well as you keeping us company on the Dead Thread.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Night 5
Wolf pick: Eonwe

I knew it! But of course the wolves were those who were already trying to get me lynched...

Sorry for suspecting you Eomer, but your analysis of the narrations seemed close but off just the right amount that I thought you were in the know and trying to misguide.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Also I briefly talked with Legate at home this morning and he said WHAT HE AND BRINNIEL WERE MESSING AROUND SWITCHING WITH THE EMPOWERMENT COMMUNICATION LIST YESTERdAY WAS PRE-PLANNED AND YOU CAN SEE HOW HAPPY THIS MAKES ME.

Yeah we dead weren't too happy about it, especially not about the updated version...

But proves again that the evil team were on top of their game.

Yeah, the way the lists were being done later on were starting to bother me, but due to RL issues I wasn't able to be around to do anything about it.


Also, on the last Day I was hunting Legate, which meant that when it came to the DL, I was actually hoping that the empowerment was going to go for one of the votes against me, which was not something I expected.


Also, Nerwen, what did you do on Night 5? I couldn't work it out. Just a scry?

[Eönwë]

And last Night was definitely the most stressful WW-Night I've had in years...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

And last Night was definitely the most stressful WW-Night I've had in years...

Believe me, you weren't the only one. It surely was for me as well.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Also, Nerwen, what did you do on Night 5? I couldn't work it out. Just a scry?

Yes- it was a toss-up between Nogrod and Legate, and unfortunately I chose Nogrod.

[Nerwen]

Nog, the evil side didn't kill Lalaith in the Night. She's not listed with us because she didn't have a special rôle (I assume). The Night-kill target was Shasta (the Ranger), who had anticipated this and self-protected. It was converting Eomer into a wolf that did it.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Nog, the evil side didn't kill Lalaith in the Night. She's not listed with us because she didn't have a special rôle (I assume).

That makes sense. I just looked at Lalaith among us other dead ones and inferred she had been killed. Too hastily, I see.

And yes, with four evil characters around there would have needed to be a resurrection of one innocent to keep the game going toDay as the Night began with only 8 players left.

We actually got that wrong (at least I did, and nobody corrected me) in the Dead Thread last Night as we thought the Evil side needs to succeed in both of their Nightly actions for the game to end (which seemed a plausible scenario to be sure). But true, just killing one villager would not have been enough, but a conversion was.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That makes sense. I just looked at Lalaith among us other dead ones and inferred she had been killed. Too hastily, I see.

And yes, with four evil characters around there would have needed to be a resurrection of one innocent to keep the game going toDay as the Night began with only 8 players left.

We actually got that wrong (at least I did, and nobody corrected me) in the Dead Thread last Night as we thought the Evil side needs to succeed in both of their Nightly actions for the game to end (which seemed a plausible scenario to be sure). But true, just killing one villager would not have been enough, but a conversion was.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Did we agree on that?

[Lalaith]

yes, that's right. I was the sole surviving ordo - at least Eomer got to join the winners right there at the end.

Apologies to Good Wizard Nerwen and the team for getting everything wrong and not backing you in the final lynch...I got so confused and I really was so tired. You played brilliantly.
Being an ordo was really baffling in this game but I hugely enjoyed it nonetheless..thank you so much Kuru for being a magnificent Mod.

Be very grateful everyone...Kuru's random generator originally picked me as GW but I had the sense to turn it down (I'm still at work so didn't think I would have the time to commit fully and certainly not to stay up and monitor the deadlines every Day) Now that really would have been an unholy mess....

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It was a great game, well done to all the players and special congratulations to the victors; and special thanks to Kuru!

Honestly, that was the most invested I've been in a game in quite a while; and it's quite a bad feeling looking back and seeing all the places you went wrong.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

*Phew*

Kill: Morsul - We figured his death wouldn't have much impact on the village and he would be better to cause some chaos in the Dead Thread.
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Called it

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Oh right, I totally didn't understand Eonwes plan and made a point to say it. That'd be a decent reason to kill me off not as useful in here.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I was a very selfish Ranger this game, but it appears to have been the right choice a couple times? I really thought the narration was pointing to me blocking the EW targeting me somehow, so I felt it best to keep that up.

Much love, my heart. We tried.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kuru

I think the way to tweak this is through the Seer. That way the Good Wizard could use Seer scrys to feel more confident in creating Visitors and have more information available to do so. I had the impression in the game, although Nerwen never said anything specific about it, that she didn't feel like she could take the time to make a Visitor because the Evil Team had her under so much pressure that she had to focus solely on trying to counteract them and not take time to gather information from the Dead Thread.

That is exactly it, Kuru. Recall, though that you'd decided a Seer was redundant because the GW's scry ability duplicated it, which I myself agreed with at the time. It took actual gameplay to show the issues- which is very often the way. I really didn't think it would be fair to you to complain about it.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I was a very selfish Ranger this game, but it appears to have been the right choice a couple times? I really thought the narration was pointing to me blocking the EW targeting me somehow, so I felt it best to keep that up.

Much love, my heart. We tried.

We certainly did, my treasure.

[Morsul the Dark]

Nerwen

I was quite excited when you picked up on my little joke.

[Lalaith]

So, what *were* the rules about what could be communicated between GW and minions?
Could Nerwen, for example, communicate to Eonwe: "known innocents are Nerwen and Shasta?"
Or say to Shasta, i think you should protect x tonight? Or say to both - I have found that Sally is a wolf? (if that were indeed the case)?

Nerwen, did you scry as well as create roles? Who were your known innocents? Did you ever find Legate? Did you find any wolves?

Also I was thinking about Visitors - one of the drawbacks I was thinking of, and I think I
mentioned this during the course of the game, is that because they will no longer, if innocent, be counted amongst the living, the GW would in effect be killing off one of her own team. That would inform my reluctance to use that role, if I'd been GW.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Nerwen

I was quite excited when you picked up on my little joke.

I was quite excited when I noticed it!