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09-01-2015, 11:15 AM
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The decision of the project not to use any frame work story was taken long ago before my time even as a silent oberserver. Nonetheless I know the main argument against Eriol: Bilbo's Translation from the Evish. That massive work of old Bilbo was considered the virtuell single source and therefore Ęlfwine/Eriol had to go.
Anyhow, I do understand your interrest. But it is very hard to answer your questions in the very general way you ask them. To be more specific for a single example: Ingil we have take up into our version as leader of the rescue army send at the end of the 1. age. It is nowhere said that he died, so in my point of view the information given in LT that he setteled for a time in Tol Eresseä before he returned to Valinor can still be valid. But some people will counter that in LT he was forbidden to return to Valinor at first due to fact that the resuce army of the evels left without the consens of the Valar and that only for that reason he had to stay on Eresseä, so that the Ingil of the later version would not stay there. But however that may be, he still could have a daugther (Meril) living at some later time on Eresseä. If here epesse 'i-Turinqi' is valid elvish of any kind I cannot say, but Meril is perfectly fitting. And that she as the granddaughter of Ingwe would be a kind of authority for the Elves on Eresseä seems rather naturally. The descriptiv details of LT about Tol Eresseä I would also call very likely valid. They are of course a spledid idealisation of rural english country side, but way not? The same can be said about the Shire, but nobody would for that reason doubt that Tolkien meant that country to look like he wrote it into the LotR. Respectfully Findegil P.S.: Please keep in mind that this is only my oppionion and be no means a statement connected to the Translation of Elvish project. Other members active or not might have very diffrent ideas about these topics. |
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09-04-2015, 06:21 AM
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Shade of Carn Dūm
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Fun fact: the name Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva was still used by Tolkien in the 1950s! Although it was one of the names of Rivendell, meaning "House of Past Mirth".
The name Meril, as you say, is of course still valid, meaning "rose" in Sindarin (if I remember correctly). Concerning i-Turinqi/Turinqui I'm not sure. I think the name meant "Queen of Flowers" ("Meril" at that point meaning "flower", not "rose"). To get into specifics: - Tavrobel: location itself is not a problem, I think, but the name might be - Kortirion (Cortirion): same thing, although Tolkien revised the poem "Kortirion among the Trees" in the '60s, I think, so the name might be valid - Lindo and Vairė: Lindo is in my opinion valid, meaning "singer"; but I have some problems with Vairė - although it IS a valid name (meaning "weaver"), there's the problem of having Vairė as one of the Valar in the later mythology - but I guess they could bear the same name - Littleheart (Ilfrin): I'm not sure about the name (the real one), and I don't really know what to make of "Littleheart"; another problem is him being a son of Voronwė - could it still be valid in the later mythology? I guess it could (somehow), but I'm having some reservations about it - The Cottage of Lost Play: now...its elvish name is valid (as I demonstrated) - however, the entire concept is questionable... - Tinfang Warble: as is shown in the The Lay of Leithian Recommenced, this character appears to have been abandoned - Limpė: "limpė" plays a big role in the "Lost Tales", but, of course, a drink that gives immortality to the one who drinks it is completely at odds with pretty much everything that is established later - Rśmil is, naturally, canonical - but he simply cannot be on Tol Eressėa when Eriol arrives (I mean, he might be, but that is too big of a stretch for me) - Gilfanon appears to have been replaced by Pengolodh OK, that's it for now. I hope I wasn't (too) overbearing.
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09-10-2015, 07:08 AM
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Well...this thread seems to be dying. I would be glad if it was resurrected at some point - but there are other matters more important.
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Look...I know this is not the kind of thread to post on this part of the forum, but it would seem courteous of you to at least respond to my questions...or to dismiss me completely...
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09-15-2015, 10:02 AM
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Due to your insolence, I spend already more time for the work on the project than is good for my other occupations. As Long as that is the case I will not put any efford into this thread, since it is clearly a side-step from the main activity of project.
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09-15-2015, 12:02 PM
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Shade of Carn Dūm
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No problem. And I apologize sincerely for my insolence. I will now turn to matters more important and urgent than this thread.
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